Topic: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?

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Stealth IMHO is not bootlegging, as I have had permissions to record many times by bands at a particular venue but the venue staff said NO, unless I had a means to record and not put up a stand as to distract those that are sitting around me that are there to enjoy the performance.  This to me is what "Stealth" means in re. to recording.  To record what is a "Bootleg" is a recording with absolutely no permissions and is also sold as bootleg-unofficial release screwing over the artist(s).

I am all for open recording when the venue and artists are aware and give permissions.  I also have no problems reaching out to bands and or performers asking permission prior to an event as well as supplying the artist with a copy if they want it. 

[DSatz]

I didn't vote in this poll because I don't identify with any of the proposed choices. Recording where recording isn't allowed can be a theft of service, and I don't wish to help people do that. But selfishly, I'd like to know what works well and what doesn't. It's a different set of technical problems from the ones I usually face.

Or maybe not. I have this one client for whom I'm the official recording engineer for their performing organization, but they severely hate having microphones that the audience can see. I've had to struggle at every concert for years now to get my microphones into places where they'll do any good at all. If I could sneak them into a hat or a jacket or the frames of my eyeglasses and get a good sound, I would.

[acidjack]

Wait, this is seriously a topic again?

There are dozens of posts here openly discussing stealth.

There is a book (Bootleg by Clinton Heylin) as well as more than a few articles about it.

The Internet exists. Nuff said.

[adrianf74]

Wait, this is seriously a topic again?

There are dozens of posts here openly discussing stealth.

There is a book (Bootleg by Clinton Heylin) as well as more than a few articles about it.

The Internet exists. Nuff said.

^^ WHAT HE SAID.

[flipp]

There are dozens of posts here openly discussing stealth.

doesn't mean they belong here

There is a book (Bootleg by Clinton Heylin) as well as more than a few articles about it.

then read the book and the articles but please don't discuss them here

The Internet exists. Nuff said.

yes it does so please use a different site if you want to discuss stealth

not everyone feels the way you do about the subject

< this post does a very good job of summarizing how I feel about open discussions of stealth >

[Sloan Simpson]

The winning poll option is that it's ok.

[flipp]

I didn't realize an opinion poll had a "winner" and I don't consider 33.7% a majority. Even combining those 33.7% with the 15.3% who don't have an opinion one way or the other you still are less than 50% of those who do have an opinion. Statistics can be manipulated anyway you want.
We'll just agree to disagree about this issue.

Y'all go ahead and talk about it; I'll just do what has to be done to get the recording and not talk about how it was accomplished.

[Sloan Simpson]

OK, more people voted for that option than the others. That'll teach me to type quickly.

[nathan_g]

If I could sneak them into a hat or a jacket or the frames of my eyeglasses and get a good sound, I would.

Seriously...that's most of it right there. What's the big deal?

[acidjack]

I didn't realize an opinion poll had a "winner" and I don't consider 33.7% a majority. Even combining those 33.7% with the 15.3% who don't have an opinion one way or the other you still are less than 50% of those who do have an opinion. Statistics can be manipulated anyway you want.
We'll just agree to disagree about this issue.

Y'all go ahead and talk about it; I'll just do what has to be done to get the recording and not talk about how it was accomplished.

I hear you, and I don't discuss it openly b/c I know it bugs people. But that cat is out of the proverbial bag, so to speak.

[spankee02]

Patience, Ed Gruberman. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Here's a fairly obvious tip: practice at home, in the dark. Even the PM thing is somewhat suspicious from someone with all of 6 posts. How do we know you are a taper and not a bouncer? And seriously, his thread is filled with people who have indicated their area of expertise. Pick somebody who is saying we should be able to post openly. That's not me, BTW.

[stevetoney]

when i got my first rig in 95, I stealthed several times , but there was no internet or forums to discuss even "open" taping. I had to figure it out for myself with trial n error. took a few years b4 I got it down. you guys dont know how lucky you are to have a forum to discuss taping methods ; open or not. especially beginners! Tape on my friends, the more we do it, seems like the more bands allow it.

Exactly the same story here.  I started in 93 or so.  iIn the earliest days of the web, I discovered a talkgroup called BluesL.  I think I learned of some real basics from others there.  I picked up a D7 but had no idea what I was doing so I recorded straight to mic-in and suffered many disappointments of bad recordings just because I couldn't listen during the show and didn't know about preamps or battery boxes or even what causes mic distortion.  After I had my D7 for awhile, I found DATHEADS, but even that site didn't have all that much in the way of gear speak. 

[edtyre]

If you want to be a stealth taper......you need a mentor!
Someone to go to shows alongside and actually see what's involved in recording music in the field.
Newbies ask 6 million questions here before they even buy gear.
One field trip out to the nearest rock & roll show with an experienced taper will teach
you more than anything you can read here. Thats how i learned and even the very
first tape i made came out pretty good, not great....but far better than i expected.

[spankee02]

the first big open taping show i did was the palace @ auburn hills in 95. that taper sec. had prolly 100+ stands there. man, i was over my head & really intimidated! luckily I was next to a cool taper who looked at my gear n knew I was a newbie. he let me patch his pre amp for both nites! I had wires runnin all over my body, i almost pissed myself the 2nd nite cause i couldnt move from my seat. myself n lots of other guys were runnin sony analog decks. dats were still the new tech. the guy i was plugged into even had an old sony d-10-dat with what i think was an old sony dig converter.thanx to Dave from syracuse. I had the pleasure of seeing him at a max creek gig in buffalo a year later.Right now im choking myself and all of you with nostailgia, sorry. good nite.-spank

[cashandkerouac]

I didn't vote in this poll because I don't identify with any of the proposed choices. Recording where recording isn't allowed can be a theft of service, and I don't wish to help people do that. But selfishly, I'd like to know what works well and what doesn't. It's a different set of technical problems from the ones I usually face.

Or maybe not. I have this one client for whom I'm the official recording engineer for their performing organization, but they severely hate having microphones that the audience can see. I've had to struggle at every concert for years now to get my microphones into places where they'll do any good at all. If I could sneak them into a hat or a jacket or the frames of my eyeglasses and get a good sound, I would.

imagining DSatz trying to disguise his mics so he can get them placed properly on the stage made me smile.  if the band is not opposed to stage decoration you could create props that looked artistic, but with a dual purpose.  professional  !!!