Topic: Taping Guide Sign-ups! (Last chance I guess)

[John Kelly]

You guys do realize that to actually do this in a way that won't suck it will have to be something like 300-400 pages, right?  Oh, and Chapter 5 doesn't really need to be more than a paragraph.  Just be polite and courteous to the soundguy when asking for a patch, and make sure he's not busy at the time.  There, I just wrote Chapter 5 in a sentence.   Chapter 9 could be a book all of it's own.  You'd have to cover on site matrixes (with equipment) and post matrixes on both Macs and PCs.

Not that I don't think this is a good thing.  I just think you guys may not know what you're getting into.

[Sanjay]

well 300 pages might be a bit much but as much stuff as people contribute will go in, so if I get 300 + pages so be it    right now i really need something to keep me busy anyways..

[hexyjones]

I think the steath stuff should be limited to gear and technique...what works and what doesn't...where to sit  - where not to sit...

As for eluding security checks...sneaking gear in...on that one - we should all keep our collective secrets to ourselves...

[goose]

[old guy attitude on]
I'm not sure I get the desire behind undertaking such a project.  Most of the information is on this site, and frankly, that is spoonfeeding newbs as much as I am comfortable.  I am disappointed with the sense of entitlement and lack of willingness to learn that I see in a lot of people.  Too many people, IMO, want stuff handed to them rather than researching, reading, and experiencing - just as this project is meant to do.
[/old guy]

The above comment is not aimed at anyone in particular, just an observation.  This site has become the repository for taping information on the internet - why is a summary of ts.com info and experience necessary?

[Sanjay]

[old guy attitude on]
I'm not sure I get the desire behind undertaking such a project.  Most of the information is on this site, and frankly, that is spoonfeeding newbs as much as I am comfortable.  I am disappointed with the sense of entitlement and lack of willingness to learn that I see in a lot of people.  Too many people, IMO, want stuff handed to them rather than researching, reading, and experiencing - just as this project is meant to do.
[/old guy]

The above comment is not aimed at anyone in particular, just an observation.  This site has become the repository for taping information on the internet - why is a summary of ts.com info and experience necessary?

I agree 100% with your comment that some newbs want everything handed to them when they want them, but i also realise as I have been only doing this for two years that even as you progress in the hobby it would be nice to have something to refer to.  And only those who truely want to learn would read this book.  Those who want things quickly answered and handed to them won't want to read through a book any more than they wont want to research.  In my mind this wont be a taping for dummies but instead a reference tool for tapers of all levels putting together hard to find and relativly common information together.  Those who are too lazy to research certainly won't want to look at a book.

[hexyjones]

[old guy attitude on]
I'm not sure I get the desire behind undertaking such a project.  Most of the information is on this site, and frankly, that is spoonfeeding newbs as much as I am comfortable.  I am disappointed with the sense of entitlement and lack of willingness to learn that I see in a lot of people.  Too many people, IMO, want stuff handed to them rather than researching, reading, and experiencing - just as this project is meant to do.
[/old guy]

The above comment is not aimed at anyone in particular, just an observation.  This site has become the repository for taping information on the internet - why is a summary of ts.com info and experience necessary?

Man - I remember trying to find taping/mic/recording info BEFORE THE INTERNET...ORTF?...you may have heard about it...but where, where, where, could you find any real info...? It was very hard to come by before the net...

[nickgregory]

[old guy attitude on]
I'm not sure I get the desire behind undertaking such a project.  Most of the information is on this site, and frankly, that is spoonfeeding newbs as much as I am comfortable.  I am disappointed with the sense of entitlement and lack of willingness to learn that I see in a lot of people.  Too many people, IMO, want stuff handed to them rather than researching, reading, and experiencing - just as this project is meant to do.
[/old guy]

The above comment is not aimed at anyone in particular, just an observation.  This site has become the repository for taping information on the internet - why is a summary of ts.com info and experience necessary?

I agree with this wholeheartedly....part of what I like the most about this hobby is the friends I have made along the way in learning about it...and also the infamoust screw ups I have had....nothing teaches better than your own mistakes...

[DCDireWolf]

I dunno, what's the big deal if there's a primer in print for people to read if they choose, not read if they choose.  Particpate if you want, don't particpate if you don't want.  I doubt the guide will have any significant impact on this forum, it will continue to chug along in all its glory.  *shrug*

[Sanjay]

we still need more volunteers, lets not loose yesterdays momentum!

[jpschust]

hey, i just remembered something with indesign.  do not use an old version, only use the newest version.  old templates are not compatible with new versions.  it really screwed me over on my last project.  (created probably 200 extra hours of work for me)

[Sean Gallemore]

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?action=search

you can probably get about 100 pages of info in a few hours of ctrl+c/ctrl+v

[C.Clark]

ill do ch. 12, spread that recording

[mmmatt]

I'd like to do the matrix chapter, but I have no experience with "post-matrixing" Those are 2 completely different animals IMO and should be done separately.  The post matrixing is more closely related to post production, then taping technique, and may be best covered that way.   Also there should be a chapter on approaching, and building rapport with bands and management.  I would say that between that chapter and the patching chapter you could remove the "be nice to the sound guy" chapter.  If that idea is well received and you don't want to split the matrix chapter, I will take that one instead, or both if nobody else wants them.
     All that being said.  Based on the comments of disagreement with such a project:  I don't think it will be that time consuming if we have a lot of people working on it together.  I think that many of these subjects are going to have many different opinions, and the moderator may not agree with the masses, so we will have to have general consensus on some of the topics as opposed to just one voice.  And as far as the "one stop shopping" comments... I think that this will cut down on some of the "dumb" questions that newbies (including myself in the past) have asked, but it may also cut down on the people posting and getting involved in the community.  I disagree strongly with the stealth chapter, for all the reasons listed earlier in this thread.  Weather we justify it in our minds or not, it is an illegal activity, and those techniques are best spread out as opposed to a one click guide.  The things that are most beneficial in stealthing are the creative ways people do it and those ways come from not knowing how everyone else does it. 
     My opinion is that this will be a good thing, but I felt I should play devils advocate.  If this flies, I definitely want to contribute what I can.
Matt

[Sanjay]

I'm on vacation right now so I haven't been updating the thing for awhile, just wanted to let you know I haven't disappeared.  I'm in Jackson, WY so I found a computer but I wont be home till monday to update.  Hope all is well.

-Sanjay

[John Kelly]

it is an illegal activity

No it's not.