Topic: flac ffp vs. md5 checksum

[Craig T]

Might be true now.  In the past I tried skipping the md5's and had several uploads generate errors because I didn't include them.  Now I just do it for my LMA uploads since it only takes a few seconds.

the only time I add md5's to FLAC filesets is when required for upload to LMA.  they are a total waste, IMO.

They are not required for LMA upload as far as I know.  In fact, I uploaded a set the other day without either an FFP or md5 - FLACs + txt file only.  The LMA creates its own ffp anyway.

[acidjack]

I only create an MD5 file.  No automatic way to verify using an FFP.

-Kevin

This for me.

[justink]

i do both.  if you're sure everything in the folder is exactly how you like it, then you're good.  and it only takes two seconds to do the extra file.

[F.O.Bean]

I just do ffps now

[greenone]

Might be true now.  In the past I tried skipping the md5's and had several uploads generate errors because I didn't include them.  Now I just do it for my LMA uploads since it only takes a few seconds.

the only time I add md5's to FLAC filesets is when required for upload to LMA.  they are a total waste, IMO.

They are not required for LMA upload as far as I know.  In fact, I uploaded a set the other day without either an FFP or md5 - FLACs + txt file only.  The LMA creates its own ffp anyway.

Confirmed that they are not required - the system will generate one if you do not include one. However, the system will check your md5 if you include one, as opposed to ffps, which are not checked. They actually fail pretty frequently, often because people leave a file out of their upload...so they're good as a "packing list", so to speak.

[newplanet7]

I only create an MD5 file.  No automatic way to verify using an FFP.

-Kevin

This for me.

Why?

[acidjack]

Actually now I do a .st5 which I believe is better than either.

I don't know why I started doing .md5 only, except I think DIME requires .md5 and doesn't require .ffp, and I'm too lazy to do both.  LMA creates its own, so I don't worry about that there anyway.

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I only create an MD5 file.  No automatic way to verify using an FFP.

-Kevin

This for me.

Why?
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[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

Actually now I do a .st5 which I believe is better than either.

Why do you believe ST5 is better than FFP???  Its the same thing, look at the hash it makes...

Terry

[acidjack]

Actually now I do a .st5 which I believe is better than either.

Why do you believe ST5 is better than FFP???  Its the same thing, look at the hash it makes...

Terry

Isn't that the point - it does both FFP and MD5 function at once? 

To be honest, I don't know much, or care, about this stuff.  I mostly listen to my own masters or those of my friends and figure I know enough about the integrity of those filesets... I realize that is maybe not the best view to take w/r/t the dissemination of my stuff, but considering that most music is disseminated on crappy torrent sites in lossy formats anyway, I just can't get too exercised about it.

[vanark]

except I think DIME requires .md5 and doesn't require .ffp, and I'm too lazy to do both.

DIME does not require an md5.  I never include one when I upload.  They require a checksum be included but I can't find that requirement at the moment.

ETA: found it - they require either an md5 or FLAC fingerprint. http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/DimeTOS:Allowed_Torrents

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

Actually now I do a .st5 which I believe is better than either.

Why do you believe ST5 is better than FFP???  Its the same thing, look at the hash it makes...

Terry

Isn't that the point - it does both FFP and MD5 function at once? 

Oh, my point is that FFP verification is the same as ST5 verification, that they are practically interchangeable.  I suppose there is no real difference, so in some respect, one is as good as the other...  Especially when you add in: 

To be honest, I don't know much, or care, about this stuff.  I mostly listen to my own masters or those of my friends and figure I know enough about the integrity of those filesets... I realize that is maybe not the best view to take w/r/t the dissemination of my stuff, but considering that most music is disseminated on crappy torrent sites in lossy formats anyway, I just can't get too exercised about it.

I'm about the same way.  I use FFP because that's what I learned to use years ago...  I hardly verify checksums now...

Terry

[lastubbe]

ffp's only and always.

I don't care if people change tags, text, folder names etc. 

I really am only concerned with the integrity of my original audio at the time of circulation.  Seems ffp does all I need, is simple and effective.

[cd2go]

only ffp

[F.O.Bean]

ffp's only and always.

I don't care if people change tags, text, folder names etc. 

I really am only concerned with the integrity of my original audio at the time of circulation.  Seems ffp does all I need, is simple and effective.

Well put Lenny, and I agree 100%

[NSL]

I started out doing both then realized lma does a ffp also so I switched to just md5.  Never knew that the md5's aren't required as I thought they were!  Probably wont make either now since lma will make the flac file for me.