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Title: Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: skua on February 12, 2004, 05:31:26 PM
Anybody have any recent experience with the Neuros 20GB Hard Disk Recorder?

http://www.neurosaudio.com/

Looks promising... currently supports recording to uncompressed WAV as well as OGG. Posibility that they may be able to support FLAC in the future. Although USB 1.1 is a bummer.

Has anyone used it to record any concerts?
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: timP on February 12, 2004, 05:51:26 PM
I have looked at in the store, but it didn't do WAV at the time... how much is it going for these days?
slim, small.... wonder about the bit accuracy...
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: mirth on February 12, 2004, 05:56:38 PM
Looks like its inputs are analog, so bit perfectness is moot.

http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/prod_20gbspec.asp
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: cmoorevt on February 12, 2004, 05:58:07 PM
MSRP on the 20 gig model is $199.99.  They don't seem to have a digital I/O which is strange considering most of their competition does.  

I too would be interested in the bit accuracy, as well as if it has a limit on the size of a wav file and whether the harddrive introduces the same clicks to wav recordings as the Archos and the iRiver.

A quick check of their support forums shows the tech support to be fairly responsive, so it maybe I'll ask a few questions.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Kelso on February 13, 2004, 10:09:44 AM
no digital I/O means no bit accuracy issue:
You look for bit accuracy from a digital in
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: seethreepo on February 19, 2004, 01:21:05 PM
isnt usb a digital in ?   its not spdif  but ..

seems to me this is the way to go  over the gmini.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Ed. on February 19, 2004, 01:23:58 PM
will it record a wav from the usb in?  if so it might be an interesting option to take a look at.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: mirth on February 19, 2004, 01:26:24 PM
No, USB is an interface for your computer to connect to the device.

So, you could use the Neuros as an external hard drive for recording but you'd still need an A>D
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: seethreepo on February 19, 2004, 02:47:32 PM
but arnt there  pre amps with usb out ?  

or is there something inherent that the machine wont record from a usb on the fly ?
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Brian Skalinder on February 19, 2004, 02:52:56 PM
but arnt there  pre amps with usb out ?  

or is there something inherent that the machine wont record from a usb on the fly ?

First, preamps are in the analog domain.  USB is the digital domain.  Hence, Mirth's comment that you'd need an ADC with a USB output to even consider running pre/ADC > USB > Neuros.  Yes, there are some ADCs with USB output: UA5, maybe one from M-Audio, too, and the MiniMe.

Second, yes - recording an incoming signal to a file is a different animal from simply transferring an incoming file.  I'm guessing the Neuros is not capable of *recording* an incoming signal over USB and writing it to WAV, but rather is merely capable of receiving a file transfer over USB.  Then again, I don't really know jack about the Neuros.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Simp-Dawg on February 19, 2004, 03:17:10 PM
ok here it is...
usb outputs on any device, recording or otherwise, are meant to attach to a "host".  it's not the same as an audio output or even a digital output, it is a means for that device to communicate to the host.  the host would be a pc or a laptop.
if the neuros or other hard-drive based recording devices could act as a host, then yes, you would be able to attach a usb-enabled pre-amp/a-d device to them, however all the devices i have seen are not sophisticated enough to be a host.  you'd need to install device drivers on them and all that jazz like a normal computer.

so no you can't record via the usb port on any current hard-drive based devices.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Brian Skalinder on February 19, 2004, 03:26:05 PM
I think where I was going - in my mostly ignorant state - is even if the Neuros is, in fact, acting as a host, in addition it still needs the appropriate s/w installed and configured to record the signal coming in from USB.  So, it's at least a two-step issue: [1] as you've mentioned, Simp, communications between the two devices over USB must be enabled, [2] the recording device must be able to utilize the signal coming in over USB.

Good detail, Simp - first things first:  the device has to do [1] before it can do [2].  +T
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: mirth on February 19, 2004, 03:35:14 PM
The only time I've seen devices acting in this fashion are proprietary ones that offload images from CF media for digi cams.... Both devices tend to be from the same manufacturer so they can write the necessary functionality into the firmware on all equipment involved.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Sean Gallemore on February 19, 2004, 05:03:03 PM
also, the USBpre1.5 will work with a laptop USB style
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Kelso on February 22, 2004, 02:17:28 PM
USB has never be an audio transfert protocol like Firewire with video. But that would be great.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Sean Gallemore on May 07, 2004, 11:29:38 PM
bump, this thing does not in fact record real time over USB
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: AT853rxwh on May 10, 2004, 07:59:48 AM


Here are some samples from a Neuros...


http://mpeethree.encosion.com/%5B%20AURAL%20%5D/ (http://mpeethree.encosion.com/%5B%20AURAL%20%5D/)


Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: John Kelly on May 10, 2004, 09:06:34 AM
I think where I was going - in my mostly ignorant state - is even if the Neuros is, in fact, acting as a host, in addition it still needs the appropriate s/w installed and configured to record the signal coming in from USB.  So, it's at least a two-step issue: [1] as you've mentioned, Simp, communications between the two devices over USB must be enabled, [2] the recording device must be able to utilize the signal coming in over USB.

Good detail, Simp - first things first:  the device has to do [1] before it can do [2].  +T

From what I understand, this is another advantage of firewire:  devices are able to talk to each other without a computer involved.  I'm unsure if USB2 will do the same, but AFAIK USB1 will not.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Tenn Man on May 10, 2004, 10:29:35 AM
What is the recording battery life of the Neuros?
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Sean Gallemore on May 10, 2004, 12:30:55 PM
I've been talking to the users on their forums and they say 3-4 hours.  I may be looking to get some battery packs :-/
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Tenn Man on May 13, 2004, 10:27:09 AM
Does this recorder have any of the problems that the Archos Gmini 120 has?
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Sean Gallemore on May 13, 2004, 10:33:27 AM
Hopefully I can test that soon.  I asked the users on their forums and they didn't say it's been a problem, but then again most of them are using the thing for mp3 playback and could give 2 shits about quality.
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: F.O.Bean on May 13, 2004, 10:37:04 AM
schwill, you better get testing bud, see if that beast is bit-perfect
Title: Re:Neuros hard disk recorder
Post by: Sean Gallemore on May 13, 2004, 11:58:08 AM
it CAN'T be bit-perfect, when they upgraded from USB1.1, they went to 2.0 instead of firewire so this thing can't host! fucking A.  Anyway, I hopet he a/d is good ::)