Topic: Ideas for Installed Rig

[newplanet7]

If they pop up in the yard, you can usually pull a pair used of 391's for three.
Other than that, I would go SPc4's, or those BSC1's. If you can' get 391's I would say the Busmans FTW!

[hi and lo]

I am thinking oktava microphones. 

[SmokinJoe]

Digimod UA-5 for the pre.  SPDIF/Toslink/Analog RCA or TRS/USB.  A few people can patch out simultaneously.

[jbou]

Maybe talk to Joe about his mics in this post that Chuck modded. They sound like a good deal for not much cash.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=145288.msg1869863#msg1869863

[acidjack]

Ended up pulling the trigger on the LSD2 in the YS.  It will continue to be mine, and I'm fairly comfortable that in this location it won't get destroyed.

Now the question turns to whether I will even get any pre, or just leave that.  Joe's suggestion of the UA-5 seems like a good one; I suppose it being 16bit is not a big deal as I could just use it as a P48 supply and then take an analog line out of it if I wanted to (right?). 

Also, am I correct that multiple people could patch from it at once?

Is there any other inexpensive (under $100) analog pre that would allow multiple patchers?  I assume nothing in that price range has digi-out except the UA5.

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Ended up pulling the trigger on the LSD2 in the YS.  It will continue to be mine, and I'm fairly comfortable that in this location it won't get destroyed.

Now the question turns to whether I will even get any pre, or just leave that.  Joe's suggestion of the UA-5 seems like a good one; I suppose it being 16bit is not a big deal as I could just use it as a P48 supply and then take an analog line out of it if I wanted to (right?). 

Also, am I correct that multiple people could patch from it at once?

Is there any other inexpensive (under $100) analog pre that would allow multiple patchers?  I assume nothing in that price range has digi-out except the UA5.

I'm pretty sure the UA5 sends a 24bit signal, but most of us used 16bit buckets with it and let them do the truncation. Newer stuff like the D50 won't work with it, but others will, plus as you noted there is multiple outs. The bummer about the outs is that the analog ones are A>D>A, but in the grand scheme of things I wouldn't worry here, cost is a bigger issue.

[acidjack]

Thanks page.. makes sense.   

Assuming I can obtain a UA-5 at that price, is there anything out there that is really any better in that range?  I mean, I could be persuaded if there is a cheap analog pre that is amazingly good for the price, but....

[tcf]

I would strongly suggest the focusrite saffire and the superlux 302 stereo mic. The whole thing will cost 250 and can output into both a computer as well as analog and spdf into a recorder. I purchased a 302 for rainy days and feel it is the best bang for the bux. I purchase my saffire from eBay for a bill. Plus the saffire will allow the house to play house music off of their computer(if they are using one, d/a).

[it-goes-to-eleven]

SPc4's are not balanced microphones.

You need to be careful about that aspect of many inexpensive mics.

[tcf]

Actually I believe the lux 302 I referenced is actually the 502.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I would get one of these, is spec'ed at 600 load which means sixteen 10K line loads.

edit: sorry, stereo version:

http://www.rane.com/ml1.html

I looked into geting a pair MS-2 for the Pour House, since they seemed more rugged and beer-proof than your typical preamp...

methinks I even asked Jon about making a similar 2channel box at one point...

Terry

[Fried Chicken Boy]

Not "better" but as a strictly P48 solution, maybe something like the ART Phantom II?  Runs off 9v battery or AC power and only $50 right now at B&H (click on "see current price").

[Teen Age Riot]

What kind of console do they have? If it's analog and there's a side rack, I think a rack mount pre like the one Jon suggested would be ideal. Provided of course, they let you install it. IMO it's not a good idea to have some loose piece of gear by the board as it'll get lost/stolen/forgotten at some point. (Can't think of how many headphones, adapters, patch cables, CDs etc I've "lost"...)

On the other hand, if there's a digital board, you could run the mics straight through it and record from a matrix out. That would also allow you to create on-the-fly matrices, if the board is capable of delaying multiple channels/groups.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I would get one of these, is spec'ed at 600 load which means sixteen 10K line loads.

edit: sorry, stereo version:

http://www.rane.com/ml1.html

I looked into geting a pair MS-1S for the Pour House, since they seemed more rugged and beer-proof than your typical preamp...

methinks I even asked Jon about making a similar 2channel box at one point...

Terry

It's possible to do an AC powered littlebox, using a 48VDC wallwart.  But it wouldn't be cheaper than many other options, unless maybe you were looking for the splits built into the box or something.  I'd still want a box that bolted to a fixture.

My thought wasn't small size, but tough and relatively beer-proof (like the Rane).  Just an AC Powered 2channel preamp - basically P48 & gain for (2) mics and RCA outputs...  And yes, I'd want to bolt it down to the shelf in the Tapers Booth at the Pour House...  And yes, we have full access to AC power (power strip installed in Tapers Booth)...

If I remember correctly, you seemed to think that it would cost as much or more than (2) of those Rane MS-1S units...

Terry

[acidjack]

I agree that something you could rack mount would be better.

Luckily in my case the venue was thrilled I got the LSD2 for them, and it will be high enough up that only with concerted effort could someone damage it.  They said they don't need a pre at this time. 

UA-5, fwiw, still seems like a good option if you could secure it appropriately.