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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2016, 04:58:12 PM »
Hello there!

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May someone did some MS recordings with the DR70D? I just played with Rode NT2-A @Fig8 (side) and Beyerdynamic MCE 86 II (mid) on my DR70D (Firmware 1.14)... The problem is: I can see (meters) but can 't hear the side signal in any monitor settings ("Moni" or "Rec") during recording or playback and the "Wide" parameter seems not to work properly (may because of lack of the side signal). If I play back the signal on my DAW (M->C; -Side->L; +Side->R) there no real stereo information in it. Any ideas?

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2016, 07:46:38 PM »
Hello there!

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May someone did some MS recordings with the DR70D? I just played with Rode NT2-A @Fig8 (side) and Beyerdynamic MCE 86 II (mid) on my DR70D (Firmware 1.14)... The problem is: I can see (meters) but can 't hear the side signal in any monitor settings ("Moni" or "Rec") during recording or playback and the "Wide" parameter seems not to work properly (may because of lack of the side signal). If I play back the signal on my DAW (M->C; -Side->L; +Side->R) there no real stereo information in it. Any ideas?

Cheers, Andreas

Are you recording the RAW M/S files onto the 70D? Or do you have the M/S Decoding ON? Maybe you have the wrong two stereo channels decoding by accident 1/2 instead of 3/4 or vice versa? Ive never run M/S on the 70d, so I have no clue honestly :(
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2016, 08:12:42 PM »
Hello there!

Just logged in in this magic forum.

May someone did some MS recordings with the DR70D? I just played with Rode NT2-A @Fig8 (side) and Beyerdynamic MCE 86 II (mid) on my DR70D (Firmware 1.14)... The problem is: I can see (meters) but can 't hear the side signal in any monitor settings ("Moni" or "Rec") during recording or playback and the "Wide" parameter seems not to work properly (may because of lack of the side signal). If I play back the signal on my DAW (M->C; -Side->L; +Side->R) there no real stereo information in it. Any ideas?

Cheers, Andreas

Hmm, it looks like they have changed this function in the new firmware.  I'm looking at pg. 27 of the manual where it describes mid-side and it doesn't say anything about a "wide" option.  It's nice they added this, although I prefer to record my M/S tracks raw and matrix them later.

Several things could have gone wrong:

Were the mics plugged into channels 1 and 2 or 3 and 4?  Did you mid-side settings reflect this?
Was the MID mic (Beyer) Ch 1 and SIDE mic (Rode) Ch 2?  If you're using the M/S matrix, it will not record properly the other way according to the manual.
Were you set to record your two channels a stereo track or as two separate mono tracks?
Was your NT2-A facing left or right?*
Did you hear signal at the time of recording through both channels, listening through headphones?
Are you sure something recorded onto both tracks?

One thing I notice is that you made a manual M/S matrix in your DAW where you've duplicated the mid track and flipped the polarity.  You only do that if you have NOT matrixed the M/S tracks at the time of recording (using the MONI option).  If you chose "REC" in the Mid/Side settings in the 70D, that means you have recorded the tracks decoded to normal L/R stereo, and you should NOT make a manual M/S matrix, but should just be treating it as a normal stereo recording.

*Your matrix is also backwards than the normal way - usually the mid side faces left and you keep that track in positive polarity, and then you duplicate that track and flip the polarity to make the R side track.  I'm not sure if that would have an effect or not, but if the onboard M/S in the 70D is expecting the mid mic to be in positive polarity facing left and you had it the other way, it's possible that could cause problems.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2016, 10:20:00 PM »
I have a Tascam DR 44WL currently which isn't functioning properly and I have to replace ASAP and I don't want another 44WL....

I'm pulling my hair atm trying to decide between the 60mkii and 70D. The difference in price isn;t very significant and it seems like the 60 is more user friendly/functional but lacks the slim design of the 70D and the additional 2 XLR inputs, which I don't require currently but like the idea of having for the future. Arrgghh decision making anxiety  ???
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2016, 11:22:15 PM »
I have a Tascam DR 44WL currently which isn't functioning properly and I have to replace ASAP and I don't want another 44WL....

I'm pulling my hair atm trying to decide between the 60mkii and 70D. The difference in price isn;t very significant and it seems like the 60 is more user friendly/functional but lacks the slim design of the 70D and the additional 2 XLR inputs, which I don't require currently but like the idea of having for the future. Arrgghh decision making anxiety  ???

I had the same dilemma.  Having 4 mic preamps onboard was one of the biggest things that made me go for the 70D.  While I would love to have the ganged gain controls of the 60D, I would still buy the 70D again because it's a much more flexible unit in terms of what you can do with it given those 4 combo inputs.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #95 on: July 05, 2016, 02:09:01 AM »
I have a Tascam DR 44WL currently which isn't functioning properly and I have to replace ASAP and I don't want another 44WL....

I'm pulling my hair atm trying to decide between the 60mkii and 70D. The difference in price isn;t very significant and it seems like the 60 is more user friendly/functional but lacks the slim design of the 70D and the additional 2 XLR inputs, which I don't require currently but like the idea of having for the future. Arrgghh decision making anxiety  ???

I had the same dilemma.  Having 4 mic preamps onboard was one of the biggest things that made me go for the 70D.  While I would love to have the ganged gain controls of the 60D, I would still buy the 70D again because it's a much more flexible unit in terms of what you can do with it given those 4 combo inputs.

Agreed! I prefer a few functions of the 60dmkii more than the 70d, but that's about it! The 70d has 4 XLR INS and I think has better chips in it than even the mkii does? and the 70d sounds great IMO! Its really a no-brainer to me! Just pick up a new 70d and an "approved" card from Tascam's website, and you're good to go ;) The 70d problems of the past are just that, problems of the past lol ;) 8)

Here's a link to the Tascam Approved SD card list!
http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/867/dr-70d_tested_media_list_20151006.pdf

I highly recommend the "64gb SanDisk Extreme Pro" SD Card!
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And here's the latest 70d Firmware v1.14 ;)
http://tascam.com/content/downloads/products/867/dr-70d_b70.zip

That said, my cousin wanted to get into recording his videos he and his brother do because obviously his camera's audio was horrible! So I suggested he run his $100 AT Stereo Shotgun mic>60Dmkii and then either into the camera's audio Input from the High/Low camera output, or just use a slate tone at the beg/end[head/tail] of the recordings, and just sync the AT stereo mic>60dmkii stuff in post, so I suggested he buy a 60dmkii because it has the 2 diff camera outputs[High/Low] depending on the sensitivity of the cameras audio input and he will NEVER need 4 XLR INS either, so for him getting his first recorder ever, and for $$ reasons, I had him get the 60dmkii over the 70D! It just depends on your wants and needs in the end!

But as a taper, there really isn't a reason NOT to get the 70d over the 60dmkii IMO, unless you absolutely need a certain feature of the 60dmkii that the 70d doesn't have ;) As always, YMMV! And if you are using a HQ camera that has HDMI INS or OUTS, you can get a Tascam 701D, that has a Timecode IN on BNC Connector, and HDMI INS/OUTS and have everything synced digitally and time coded!
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #96 on: July 05, 2016, 02:14:11 AM »
I still listen to some of my PFA>70d recordings in amazement, that a deck that only cost me $150 can sound THAT FN good lol 8) I remember paying around $800-$900 for my Sony D8 DAT deck in 1997, and it had HORRIBLE internal preamps, and was ONLY worth a damn as a digital deck! You HAD to run mics>preamp>ADC>Sony D8 or most DAT decks back then I guess, and it just blows my mind that a deck that only cost me $150 can sound better and more detailed than the pre>ADC>deck of the past combined haha ;D
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2016, 04:55:06 PM »
Hello there!

Thanks for  the answers!

>>Were the mics plugged into channels 1 and 2 or 3 and 4? 
1- Mid, 2-Side;

>>Did you mid-side settings reflect this?
I set up 1&2 for MS in the Record menu.

>>Was the MID mic (Beyer) Ch 1 and SIDE mic (Rode) Ch 2? 
Yes, this way.

>>Were you set to record your two channels a stereo track or as two separate mono tracks?
Two separate tracks.

>>Was your NT2-A facing left or right?*
With the rode-dot to the left. Other side also to the right. Well, like this oIo (I ist the mid, oo is the Rode @Fig8), I tried to place both capsules nearly in the same place. Also not like this: http://www.uaudio.com/blog/mid-side-mic-recording/ I put the Rode (Fig8) under Sennheiser may in its middle...

>>Did you hear signal at the time of recording through both channels, listening through headphones?
I recorded it and pre-rehearsal it in different recordings: once just listen via "MONI" and then build the matrix in my DAW, and once hard coded  via "REC" to two mono tracks, and then paned it to the left resp. to the right.

>>Are you sure something recorded o nto both tracks?
Yes, The signals are visible in the DAW on all tracks, but well not really stereo. Just the side signal isn't audible while recording (I just can see the level meters moving...)

I'll try to make one more recording soon and upload the results, may then the problem can be solved.

Cheers, Andreas

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2016, 05:56:29 PM »
It sounds like everything was set correctly.  If you're able, maybe you could post 2 sets of text tracks: one with M/S encoding by the 70D and the other simple mono tracks which would require matrixing in the DAW.

EDIT: I thought of one more obvious question I should have asked before:
Do other mics record to these same tracks on your 70D without any problems?  As in, a pair of omnis or cardioids?  And have you confirmed that there is nothing wrong with the NT2A?
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #99 on: July 12, 2016, 06:10:31 PM »
Here's my latest mk41>PFA>dr70d[internal preamps] recording 8)

Phish 2016-07-10 Syracuse, NY [Schoeps mk41>NBob KCY>Naiant PFAs>Tascam DR70D[24/96-LOW Gain]
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #100 on: July 13, 2016, 03:02:54 AM »
Question....will be running my 70 for the first time in the field at Phish this weekend.  Since I had nothing on the radar for some time I quit following the "dr70 is a piece of shit/card issues" threads months ago.  Checked here recently to see that they seem to be resolved which is fantastic but.....
1.  The card I bought that was on the approved list (Panasonic 32 gig) is no longer.
2.  Firmware has been updated 3 times. Currently have 1.11 installed. 
3.  I've made roughly 6 transfers using Tascam DA20 mkII>dr70 @16/44 with NO issues. 

Should I update to the new firmware and possibly risk some sort of problem because of the card not being approved and would there be a difference/ problem in the way the information is delivered to the recorder via mics>xlr cables as opposed to the mkII transfers I've done?
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #101 on: July 13, 2016, 08:58:11 AM »

1.  The card I bought that was on the approved list (Panasonic 32 gig) is no longer.
2.  Firmware has been updated 3 times. Currently have 1.11 installed. 
3.  I've made roughly 6 transfers using Tascam DA20 mkII>dr70 @16/44 with NO issues. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BbU4Cb4A4-o

Upgrade. Upgrade. Upgrade.

The performance and reliability fixes go beyond the just fixing file system formatting.  As to the formatting issue, I noticed the write error problem was worse when I was writing 4 tracks of files as opposed to just recording two. Startup times, and occasional record presses with red light that didn't start the numbers are two other fixes worth upgrading for.

The 1.14 software is new to US release but has been released in Europe for at least a month longer.

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #102 on: July 13, 2016, 09:35:08 AM »
1.  The card I bought that was on the approved list (Panasonic 32 gig) is no longer.

Are you sure?  There's one 32GB Panasonic card on the list: RP-SDUC32GAK.  That list has been out since 10/6/2015, and the bottom section (where the Panasonic cards are) is the original list.  The newer version just added the top section.  So I'm pretty sure that 32GB Panasonic you see on the current list is the only one that has ever been there.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #103 on: July 13, 2016, 01:24:45 PM »
Thank you guys for the feedback, just updated software to 1.14.  Not sure how but I missed that the Panasonic card I have is still on the approved list, thanks for pointing that out.
I'm only going to run 2 channels @ 24/48, nothing fancy.  I'll report back w/ the results.  Thanks again guys. :)

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 7)
« Reply #104 on: July 14, 2016, 01:03:32 AM »
Ahhh...so sorry.  Do I want my Input Gain on Channels 1 & 2 set to Mic or Line?   Mic right since I'm using them :p 

 

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