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I don't plan on purchasing until at least August, but I may be too tempted to resist doing so.  I need help narrowing down my options so my research isn't so broad.  I'd be taping 'jam' & bluegrass.  My budget is $1000, but I might be able to go a few hundred over (certainly no more than $1500).  Ideally the rig should accommodate future upgrades well (swapping parts of the rig out for better equipment, and holding decent resale value).

I'd like to be able to run XY and ORTF.  Cardioid microphones are my priority, but if I can, a pair of omni- caps (in addition to the cards-) would be nice, but not necessary.

My checklist is:
*2x microphones (fixed cardioid or ability to switch capsules)
*Depending on the microphones, a set of card caps (and possibly a set of omni caps)
*Preamp
*Recorder
*Cables
*Stand (for running XY and ORTF)
*Battery box

For microphones, I'm thinking of Busman BSC-1s or Church's new CA-14s.  If I can get a good deal in the Yard Sale, I'd really like to run AKG 480s.  If I go with Church's CA-14s (dedicated cardioid mics), I'd get his 9100 preamp (would run about $350).  I'm thinking of an R-09 as a recorder or an iRiver if it'll record 24bit. 

I'm very unfamiliar with preamps, cables, battery boxes, and stands, so I need help there too.  I have no idea what or how many cables I'd need to run.  So I ask you, if you had $1000 (maybe a bit more) to drop for an entire rig, what would you get?  Don't feel the need to spend my limit, too; if you can think of a good beginner rig for cheaper, let me know.

Like I said, I don't plan on buying _too_ soon, but I'd like adequate time to research products within my price range so I can get the rig before I move back out to Colorado in August.  If there seems to be some general consensus on the sort of gear I should pick up in this price range, I'd love to buy the items sooner and test them out this summer here in MN.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 01:24:14 PM »
  Don't feel the need to spend my limit, too; if you can think of a good beginner rig for cheaper, let me know.

Thanks!

I'm sure you've seen it already if you've visited the yard sale in the past two days, but here's a rig that's MUCH cheaper (yes its mine  ;D )

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105634.0.html

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 01:30:47 PM »
AKG 390's > FR2LE


With the price range you're looking at you have the opportunity to move up a few price points from the mics you mentioned.  You budget also means you can shop and buy for gear that is a level or two above the entry level gear you listed.   Also keeping in mind future upgrades.

The AKG 390's are a wonderful sounding microphone with lots of field use.  Start with the cards (391's) and you have the option to upgrade in the future with omni's, hypers and even active cables.

FR2LE is a helluva AIO box.  A local taper here in Dallas has one and I think its a kick ass box.  Good sized and lots of features.  He kicked me down some tapes he made with the 390>Fr2LE rig of music that I would never listen to and by god I think its great.  Sounds wonderful.  Plus you have the option of getting the box modded if you so choose.

So with the budget you've stated you'll also be able to afford not only the above mentioned gear but you'll have plenty left over for cables, shockmounts, gear bag, clamp, etc.  All the accessories that you'll need to fill out your rig.




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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 01:33:32 PM »
studio projects c-4 mics (omni and card caps) maybe $250-$300?
edirol ua-5 preamp, flavor modded $400, stock digi mod $200?
JB3 or IriverH120, under $200 for either

just one example...

then you need cables, stand, bag, and a battery.  There's lots of good quality beginner rigs nowdays.  you could even go mics>impedance transformers>recorder if you wanted to go even cheaper.
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 01:34:10 PM »
So with the budget you've stated you'll also be able to afford not only the above mentioned gear but you'll have plenty left over for cables, shockmounts, gear bag, clamp, etc.  All the accessories that you'll need to fill out your rig.
That was one of my concerns: how much of my budget I needed to dedicate to the gear you mentioned.  Can I get a price range for how much all those items will cost together (approximately), so I can have a better idea of the price range of mics I should be looking at?

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 01:36:02 PM »
open or stealth?
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 01:44:31 PM »
open or stealth?
Open.  Ability to stealth is nice, but definitely not a requirement.  I'd be recording artists that are explicitly taper-friendly.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 01:47:35 PM »
So with the budget you've stated you'll also be able to afford not only the above mentioned gear but you'll have plenty left over for cables, shockmounts, gear bag, clamp, etc.  All the accessories that you'll need to fill out your rig.
That was one of my concerns: how much of my budget I needed to dedicate to the gear you mentioned.  Can I get a price range for how much all those items will cost together (approximately), so I can have a better idea of the price range of mics I should be looking at?

Well alot depends on exactly what accessories you want.  

Here is my guess on some stuff but scour the Yard Sale to find individual deals:

AKG Mic Bar - $15
Joe Meek shockmounts - $10
Stand - $50
Mic cables - $50
AKG 391's - $450
FR2LE - $450
CF card - $50
Bag - $40

Remember these are just guesstimates and you can always find exact prices and deals through the yard sale.  But according to the above guess you're looking at around $1100 give or take.   Helluva a rig for the price range you were looking at.  The SP C4's mentioned in a previous post are good mics as well for less than the 390's but if you dig the 480 sound then the 390's get you into a AKG real easy especially with the fact that you can buy upgrades in pieces for them (caps, actives)


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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2008, 01:51:10 PM »
Lots of people on here like Chris Church's mics (CA-11 & 14) and pre-amps (9000 & 9100) so I would go over to archive.org live music section and type those in and have a listen to the sounds of the mics and pre-amps and recorders.
You are willing to spend quite a bit of money on stuff that really isn't that expensive. the CA-14s are around $130, as you know and the pre-amp isn't much more. Before you spend that much money, go have a listen to the mics and pre-amps and recorders over at live music archive. You could even start small with a less expensive recorder (jb3, iriver, a used r09) and a used pair of the Church's mics just to make sure you like taping and you can handle it. PLUS, it would be a good backup and/or stealth recorder as opposed to something like the Fostex fr-2le or sound devices 722.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 01:54:29 PM »
Lots of people on here like Chris Church's mics (CA-11 & 14) and pre-amps (9000 & 9100) so I would go over to archive.org live music section and type those in and have a listen to the sounds of the mics and pre-amps and recorders.
You are willing to spend quite a bit of money on stuff that really isn't that expensive. the CA-14s are around $130, as you know and the pre-amp isn't much more. Before you spend that much money, go have a listen to the mics and pre-amps and recorders over at live music archive. You could even start small with a less expensive recorder (jb3, iriver, a used r09) and a used pair of the Church's mics just to make sure you like taping and you can handle it. PLUS, it would be a good backup and/or stealth recorder as opposed to something like the Fostex fr-2le or sound devices 722.

Just my thoughts.

No offense to your or Chris' products but the budget he has stated would put him several price points above the Church mics and preamps.   

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 01:56:39 PM »
Here's a few ideas:

Busman mics $525  Nice thing about these is that you will get the mics plus card/hypercard/subcard/omni caps plus shockmounts and a t-bar.  plus free shipping until the end of this month.

Thes Fostex FR-2LE in the yard sale for $500 this also has the busman T-mod on the preamp section.  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105717.0.html

Here are some star quad cables in the yard sale for $45.  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105455.0.html

Total so far $1070

Mic stands can usually be had for a good deal in the yard sale, just keep looking or post an Iso.

I think the Fostex takes CF cards, just check new egg, $50 or less depending on size/speed you want.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 01:57:23 PM »
No offense to your or Chris' products but the budget he has stated would put him several price points above the Church mics and preamps.   

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 02:07:40 PM »
What advantages are there for getting the Fostex over an R-09?  I'm not familiar with the mods either.  What's the "T-mod on the preamp section?"

The Busman gear seems to be a great bang for the buck.  At the earliest, I'd be able to purchase gear by the middle of next week if you kind folk keep rolling in the advice like you are.  I'm going to be at a small festy from today - Saturday, and out of town Sunday - Wednesday, so I might not be able to pick up anything in the YS until then if it's still available.

So: Open taping, cardioid mics (omni- caps would also be nice), and a budget that tops out near $1,000.  Also, preferably gear that I wouldn't have too much difficulty finding in the YS.

Thanks for all your posts so far guys/gals.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 02:31:15 PM »
I would go for the Studio Projects C4 (used, $200-250, here in the YS).
and Fostex FR-2LE (stock $400 ebay, modded $500-600 here in the YS).

Total $600-700.  Cheap cables and stand, another $100 or so.

Very respectable rig.  Decide if you like it, then you can get better mics and/or get the Fostex modded.

At this point I would not bother with a separate ADC and recorder.  Too much trouble, and the Fostex will sound just as good.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 02:52:22 PM »
I think that out of all the suggestions I've seen here
OFOTD has the best idea

if you like the AKG sound you probably won't like Studio projects
with $1200 to spend you should go with the FR2-LE (modded or not)
and with the 391s you will be right in your price range

both have good resale value here in the Yard Sale if you want to change later

good luck with your new hobby

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2008, 02:53:45 PM »
I move back out to Colorado in August.

If you're moving to Colorado you'll have another taper to patch out of 99.9% of the time, so you might just want to invest all of your money into a recorder and then purchase the rest in the future.  If you want your own rig for under $1000, I just started taping a few months ago and here's what I got for about $900:

Edirol R-09
16gb SDHC memory card
Church Audio CA-11 mics (cards & omni caps) & CA-9000 preamp (mics need to be ordered without the clips in order to fit into the T-bar's windscreens)
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Sound Professionals T-bar
ProMaster 9' mic stand
3/8" female to 5/8" male thread adapter
1/4-20 to 3/8" male thread adapter
8' extension cable (for between the mics and preamp--the mic's cable is only 5' long)
6" mini to mini cable (for between the preamp and recorder - could be longer if you want)
Windtech C-clamp (to clamp onto other tapers)
Gaffer's tape (to tape down the legs of the mic stand)
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2008, 04:56:03 PM »

FR2LE is a helluva AIO box.  A local taper here in Dallas has one and I think its a kick ass box.  Good sized and lots of features.  He kicked me down some tapes he made with the 390>Fr2LE rig of music that I would never listen to and by god I think its great.  Sounds wonderful.  Plus you have the option of getting the box modded if you so choose.

He's referring to me.  Only been taping about 7 months and couldn't be happier with the 390 > FR-2LE setup.  I had the Busman modded Avantone CK-1s previous to the AKG 300s.  I liked them but they didn't have quite the full sound of the 300s.  Keep an eye on the Yard Sale.  I know recently there was a set of 391s for $450.  I picked up my 300 bodies with 91 and 93 caps in the Yard Sale for $500.  For the FR-2LE, look on Ebay.  I got mine, brand new (not refurb, not b-stock) for $400 shipped.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2008, 05:01:12 PM »
this would be a helluva starter rig just under your ceiling:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105717.0.html
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2008, 05:48:24 PM »
I think that out of all the suggestions I've seen here
OFOTD has the best idea

if you like the AKG sound you probably won't like Studio projects
with $1200 to spend you should go with the FR2-LE (modded or not)
and with the 391s you will be right in your price range

both have good resale value here in the Yard Sale if you want to change later

good luck with your new hobby


Darby has the right idea, if you have a sound you like already that's a great starting point (and for some a finishing point, I will never part with my km 184's).  Remember, the only rule is, it only has to sound good to you.  If you like it then the gear works.

My suggestion of the busman's was meant as a bang for the buck especially the multiple caps.  Having the multiple caps can help in determining what sounds best in the venues you tape in before spending lots of money on additional caps from a different mfg.  Again however, this won't matter if you don't like the sound of the busman's to begin with! :)

The T-mod is a transparency mod done by busman on the preamp stage of the recorder.  I have never run one but have listened to a few recordings through modded units.  The mod improves the transparency of the preamp, for a more in depth explanation check out his web site.

Good luck :)
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2008, 06:22:55 PM »
Remember, the only rule is, it only has to sound good to you.  If you like it then the gear works.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2008, 01:55:00 AM »
This question is kinda like asking a group of crackheads what kind of pipe you should use... except our stuff costs more (although it'd be tough to OD on taping).
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2008, 08:33:41 AM »
stand. t-bar. shockmounts. silver cables. mics w/ cards AND hypers. modded fr2le. 8 or 16gb cf card. DONE ;)

That can DEF be done for around 1200 or so ;)
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2008, 12:08:52 PM »
I'd say if you're putting together an open taping rig, you'll probably have to allot $200-250 for all the extra stuff you'll need.  For a stab at low-end pricing (you can obviously go much higher for pretty much everything on the list):

Stand/tbar/necessary adapters:  $50
Rechargeable battery system: $50
Gear bag:  $30-40
mic cables: $25-50
CF card:  $30-50
Shockmounts:  $30-60

You can obviously tape openly with stealth type gear, but if you want to open tape, you'll learn more about that kind of gear if you buy that kind of gear.  Everything from battery systems, stands, t-bar/mic mounts, shockmounts, mic patterns, mic powering (48v phantom vs battery boxes), etc. is different between stealth and open gear.

I don't know much about the FR2LE, but it seems like a nice, low-cost solution providing everything in one-box.  On that point, the difference between the FR2LE and the R-09 (or for that matter the FR2LE, Marantz PMD671/PMD670, and the Tascam HD-P2 and the R-09, Sony D50, etc) is that the full-size FR2LE has XLR mic inputs and will provide 48v phantom power to power full-size condensor mics, the R-09 type recorders cannot do this.  In general, stealth type mics require "plug-in power" of ~3-9v, coming from the 1/8" mic input or from a "battery box".  Full size condensor mics will require 48v phantom power from XLR connectors.  So if you wanted to run full size condensors like the Busman mics or the AKG 390's and went with a R-09 as a recorder, you'd need to add a separate mic preamp (or at least a portable 2ch 48v phantom power box) to your rig.

So for costing purposes, say $500-600 for an all in one recorder like the FR2LE plus the $200 or so for all the extra stuff.  Leaves ~$200-500 for your mics.  Bottom line, I'd say if you want to stay around $700, plan for a stealth type rig, and think about the R-09 + the Church Audio stuff.  For an open rig, plan for around $1000-1200 at a minimum and build it up around an all in one recorder like the FR2LE.

Good luck, and hope to see you out with the CO Crew soon!
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2008, 01:47:03 PM »
What advantages are there for getting the Fostex over an R-09?

So: Open taping, cardioid mics (omni- caps would also be nice), and a budget that tops out near $1,000.  Also, preferably gear that I wouldn't have too much difficulty finding in the YS.

Basically: if you're running an open rig, there's no need to compromise with relatively small/flimsy recorders like the R-09, when you can get a full feature set and better durability with the FR2LE and similar.

I didn't see any mentions for the 660/670/671? Maybe they are considered to be too expensive/rare to find on the YS these days?

I guess the FR2LE is still better value, since 660/670 are only 16bit, and the 671 cost almost twice compared to FR2LE...

Anyway, there was a 660 ACM out, but it seems to be sold pending payment:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,104331.msg1401088.html#msg1401088
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2008, 05:15:30 PM »
I think that out of all the suggestions I've seen here
OFOTD has the best idea

if you like the AKG sound you probably won't like Studio projects
with $1200 to spend you should go with the FR2-LE (modded or not)
and with the 391s you will be right in your price range

both have good resale value here in the Yard Sale if you want to change later

good luck with your new hobby
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I dug the AKG sound and went with those and a busman 660 mod.
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2008, 05:21:44 PM »
I think that out of all the suggestions I've seen here
OFOTD has the best idea

if you like the AKG sound you probably won't like Studio projects
with $1200 to spend you should go with the FR2-LE (modded or not)
and with the 391s you will be right in your price range

both have good resale value here in the Yard Sale if you want to change later

good luck with your new hobby
QFT.
Great job with the suggestions.
I dug the AKG sound and went with those and a busman 660 mod.
Happy as can be.

That is one of the best 16bit tapes money can buy right there!
Peluso CEMC6, ck4/ck21
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2008, 10:37:02 PM »
How do y'all feel about the 391s vs. 451s?

So, if I get the AKG 300s & the Fostex FR2LE with the Busman "vintage and transparency" mod, I'd be covered on the mic+preamp+recorder+power front?  Just verifying that the FR2LE mod covers the necessary recorder, preamp, and power components of a rig.

If I plan on getting the two items mentioned, I'd still need a stand, t-bar, shock mounts, cables, a bag, and CF cards?  These I will consult you folk about after I've committed to the aforementioned gear since these 'accessories' often depend on the mic & recorder sizes, yes?  Anything I'm missing?

Also, what is the estimated cost of used 300 bodies? 90-series capsules? and the FR2-LE?

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2008, 04:38:52 AM »
I didn't read this whole thread but I did notice in your first post that you were considering Busman mics.

My vote goes that way. I'm a n00b so I'm not familiar with using many sorts of mics or other gear asides from cables and a modded 660 (I pushed the start and stop button on an R4 once though); a few sets of "entry level" makes and 2 or 3 times using some old AT shotguns, have a friend that flies 480's who is considering getting on the bsc Bus and blah blah blah

anyways, you will not regret getting a set of bsc1's. these are a rare exception to the "you get what you pay for" rule because at ???.00 or however much they cost now you will get well more than your money's worth (not to mention every pattern except for figure8 caps).  just my jubilant opinion. yrmv

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2008, 05:46:56 AM »
I didn't read this whole thread but I did notice in your first post that you were considering Busman mics.

My vote goes that way. I'm a n00b so I'm not familiar with using many sorts of mics or other gear asides from cables and a modded 660 (I pushed the start and stop button on an R4 once though); a few sets of "entry level" makes and 2 or 3 times using some old AT shotguns, have a friend that flies 480's who is considering getting on the bsc Bus and blah blah blah

anyways, you will not regret getting a set of bsc1's. these are a rare exception to the "you get what you pay for" rule because at ???.00 or however much they cost now you will get well more than your money's worth (not to mention every pattern except for figure8 caps).  just my jubilant opinion. yrmv



thats also a great option. if he can get 4 sets of capsules(Omnis/Card/Hypers/Subcards) and bodies for 500 or whatever the busman mics cost, id go that route too if I were you and starting out. and youd be able to sell or trade them for 390's really easily IMO! But I think you'll also like them and be happy w/ busman mics>busman modfr2le :) and yes, you'll still need 7.2v batteries for the fr2l3(that is what it takes right?) and a stand($50-75), tbar($15), shockmounts($25), cables($50copper-$150silver-clad copper), bag($30), and CF Card($50[8GB]-$150[32GB])!
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 01:51:52 AM »
ADK matched TL's($500 yard sale), moded tascam HDP2($700-750 used, + T mod=$850-900). not bad, you could get this under $1500 with batt's and cables. or LSD2>same box. AKG se300's>same box, a number of different mics>same box.

there are more options now than ever before, imo...
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2008, 09:09:27 AM »
I think that out of all the suggestions I've seen here
OFOTD has the best idea

if you like the AKG sound you probably won't like Studio projects
with $1200 to spend you should go with the FR2-LE (modded or not)
and with the 391s you will be right in your price range

both have good resale value here in the Yard Sale if you want to change later

good luck with your new hobby
QFT.
Great job with the suggestions.
I dug the AKG sound and went with those and a busman 660 mod.
Happy as can be.

That is one of the best 16bit tapes money can buy right there!


Basically got that setup right here: 
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105414.0.html
and
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,106071.0.html

for a total of $1025, if you're considering sticking with 16 bit.
AT853rx (c,sc,o)> Fostex FR2-LE (Busman T-Mod)

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2008, 11:22:36 AM »
Busman Mics > FR-2LE (stock).  I started taping just a few months ago with this setup and am happy with it so far.  Here are some samples.  Two with card caps and one with hypers.

http://www.archive.org/details/bridge2008-06-20.BSC1-K1.flac    (cards, indoors)

http://www.archive.org/details/ddbb2008-06-13.flac16    (cards, outdoors)

http://www.archive.org/details/plf2008-06-17.BSC1-K3.flac  (hypers, outdoors)


Hope this helps.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2008, 12:44:05 PM »
So..I assume you are planning on mostly,if not totally,open taping?

Or some open,some stealth?

My suggestion would be to put together a nice stealth setup and just use it open when you can. If you go with a full-on open rig chances are you're gonna have real problems stealthing it.

If you put together a good stealth rig it will make recordings that sound just as good as an open rig and you'll have the ability to run it in non-open situations.
That's very nice when you're recording a taper-friendly band in a "no-taping" venue...which happens a lot. -something to think about.

You could get quite a bad ass stealth rig for $1000-$1200.

Then for open taping you'd just need a stand,mounts and cables. Which you could buy later when you know you'll be needing them.

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2008, 01:22:56 PM »
I've since talked to Chris about picking up the BSC1's, and am finalizing the purchase once the funds roll over into my Paypal acct.  So I'm looking phor an unmodded FR2LE, or one that's been Busman T-modded if the price is tempting.  Let me know if you can help.  Once I get these two items I'll be on the search for everything else (stands, cables, etc., etc.).  The rig will be open (the venues I frequent allow taping); I'll probably get some Church gear if I'm looking to stealth, but the time hasn't come for that yet.

Thanks for your help everybody.  I wouldn't have any idea where to begin if it weren't for you kind folk.  I'll keep you guys & gals updated.

Well, I suppose since I've pretty much committed to picking up the BSC1's and the Fostex FR2LE, I can start looking into the rest of the rig.  So, to anyone who has a similar setup... what stands, mounts, cables, batteries, and CF cards to you recommend?

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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 11:09:23 PM »
Well, I suppose since I've pretty much committed to picking up the BSC1's and the Fostex FR2LE, I can start looking into the rest of the rig.  So, to anyone who has a similar setup... what stands, mounts, cables, batteries, and CF cards to you recommend?
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2008, 11:26:14 AM »
Well, I suppose since I've pretty much committed to picking up the BSC1's and the Fostex FR2LE, I can start looking into the rest of the rig.  So, to anyone who has a similar setup... what stands, mounts, cables, batteries, and CF cards to you recommend?
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I have this rig, but my box is out to Chris for the T-mod.  Shock mounts and t bar come with the mics.  I like my HiHo silver cables and got them in the yard for about $100.  I use this for my batteries:

http://www.thomasdistributingshop.com/-LA-CROSSE-TECHNOLOGY-BC-900-Charger-LCD-8-Sanyo-Eneloop_p_186-1048.html

That'll only give you about 4 hours using phantom power, so if you need more juice, you'd have to move to an rc type battery.

CF card I use is an A-data "speedy" 8 gig card.  No issues recording 24/48.  Newegg usually has the best deals on memory cards.

Hope that helps.  It's a very nice rig. Enjoy.
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Re: Need help picking my first rig ($700 - $1200 range)
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2008, 08:17:04 PM »
Well, I suppose since I've pretty much committed to picking up the BSC1's and the Fostex FR2LE, I can start looking into the rest of the rig.  So, to anyone who has a similar setup... what stands, mounts, cables, batteries, and CF cards to you recommend?
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Flash card I've been using with mine:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208340&ATT=20-208-340&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Memory+(Flash+Memory)-_-Transcend-_-20208340

You'll get 1 hour per gb at 24/48 so the bigger card is nice just in case
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Re: BSC1's > FR2LE... what else do I need?
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2008, 10:44:20 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/Two-7-2V-3-5Ah-NiMH-RC-Battery-UL-Smart-Charger-2A_W0QQitemZ150146770367QQihZ005QQcategoryZ34063QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1299

Here are a couple of battery options.  I went with the second option, a little more expensive but the batteries last longer
How long do the batteries last? 
I'll already have these:
•   Tenergy Universal Smart Charger
•   Two Tenergy 3800 mAh 7.2v batteries

Do you know if the Tenergy Uni Smart Charger will charge the batteries you linked to (second, more expensive ones)?  If so, they sell those batteries w/o the charger, yes?  As mentioned in another thread, looking for 12 hours of runtime.  Thanks for all your help.  It's appreciated.  Maybe too appreciated.  :hmmm:

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Re: BSC1's > FR2LE... what else do I need?
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2008, 01:36:18 AM »
sorry, I know nothing about batteries or the Fostex but welcome aboard the Bus :D


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2x Busman BSC1s
1x Oade HD+Warm FR2LE
2x Blue 'Blueberry' cables
1x 8 gig A-data "speedy" CF card
1x Bogen 3333 light stand
1x 7.2V 3800mAh battery
+ (4 gig CF card & 2x batteries and charger included from the previous FR2LE owner)
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= More than I planned on spending.

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2x Busman BSC1s
1x Oade HD+Warm FR2LE
2x Blue 'Blueberry' cables
1x 8 gig A-data "speedy" CF card
1x Bogen 3333 light stand
1x 7.2V 3800mAh battery
+ (4 gig CF card & 2x batteries and charger included from the previous FR2LE owner)
---
= More than I planned on spending.

Congrats.
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2x Busman BSC1s
1x Oade HD+Warm FR2LE
2x Blue 'Blueberry' cables
1x 8 gig A-data "speedy" CF card
1x Bogen 3333 light stand
1x 7.2V 3800mAh battery
+ (4 gig CF card & 2x batteries and charger included from the previous FR2LE owner)
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= More than I planned on spending.

That is one fine, fine rig.  You will pull some very clean recordings.
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2x Busman BSC1s
1x Oade HD+Warm FR2LE
2x Blue 'Blueberry' cables
1x 8 gig A-data "speedy" CF card
1x Bogen 3333 light stand
1x 7.2V 3800mAh battery
+ (4 gig CF card & 2x batteries and charger included from the previous FR2LE owner)
---
= More than I planned on spending.

That is one fine, fine rig.  You will pull some very clean recordings.
I f***ing hope so!  Next venture... trying not to look like a complete dork setting up for the first time at a show...  (or get caught reading the FR2LE manual during setup).  ^_^

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2x Busman BSC1s
1x Oade HD+Warm FR2LE
2x Blue 'Blueberry' cables
1x 8 gig A-data "speedy" CF card
1x Bogen 3333 light stand
1x 7.2V 3800mAh battery
+ (4 gig CF card & 2x batteries and charger included from the previous FR2LE owner)
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= More than I planned on spending.

Congratulations root...  lookin' good!!!  Look forward to runnin' with ya at 10KLF!  BSC1>FR2LE w/Oade HD+W...  should be sweet!!!  Sweet!!! 
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Congrats my friend. Like we say here at ts.com, "Leave your wallet at the door" ;D

But you'll be DAMNED happy w/ that setup, I can almost guarantee it :)

Now lets hear the reactions from your first recording 8) And the recording too!
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