Topic: Word clock question...

[Brian Skalinder]

why not 744 + pre? seems you'd be close to the same $ by time you figure in the v3 and bit bucket and would be much easier and smaller to run

Partly for flexibility's sake - I sometimes prefer the straight V3 pre/ADC sound - but mainly price.  While definitely easier with the 744, it's about a grand more.  If I can come up with the scratch, I'll probably go that route eventually:

$4,000 | 744
$  750 | Preamp of choice (used)
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$4,750

$2,400 | 722
$1,100 | V3 (used)
$  330 | MT2496
$   70 | CF media
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$3,900

[terrapinj]

for some reason i was figuring in the p2 as your bit bucket, not sure where that idea came from though 

im gonna be borrowing Ian's 722 this weekend to sync up the two AUD + SBD - while definitely the most expensive option im curious to see how the C. Link function works

[thegreatgumbino]

why not 744 + pre? seems you'd be close to the same $ by time you figure in the v3 and bit bucket and would be much easier and smaller to run

Partly for flexibility's sake - I sometimes prefer the straight V3 pre/ADC sound - but mainly price.  While definitely easier with the 744, it's about a grand more.  If I can come up with the scratch, I'll probably go that route eventually:

$4,000 | 744
$  750 | Preamp of choice (used)
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$4,750

$2,400 | 722
$1,100 | V3 (used)
$  330 | MT2496
$   70 | CF media
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$3,900

Scenario 3:
722 = $2,400
V3 (used) = $1,100
iRiver H120 or JB3 = $150
Total = $3,650

Going with scenario 3 obviously doesn't allow you to record both sources in 24bit, but it would be $350 less than the 744 alone.

I've been thinking about this lately, and it seems to me you could run SBD > iRiver H120/H140 (analog in) > optical out > Hosa box > spdif in > 722.  This would clock the 722 to the iRiver clock and cut out the V3 or P2 wordclock since you can slave the 722 to a separate digital signal while recording.  This would be more parts & pieces but would save you about $1,400 compared to the 744.

[Brian Skalinder]

Going with scenario 3 obviously doesn't allow you to record both sources in 24bit, but it would be $350 less than the 744 alone.

Actually, $250 less.  (3900-3650=250)  That $250 is well worth it to get to 24-bit, IMO.

[thegreatgumbino]

Going with scenario 3 obviously doesn't allow you to record both sources in 24bit, but it would be $350 less than the 744 alone.

Actually, $250 less.  (3900-3650=250)  That $250 is well worth it to get to 24-bit, IMO.

ACTUALLY, You used $4,000 for the price off the 744.  Therefore, $4,000-$3,650=$350.   

$4,000 | 744

I think you're probably right though.  When you have that much money in your rig, what's another $350 to go full 24 bit?  The only problem I see there is that the MT is the only 24 bit capture device that I can think of for that cheap, and I don't know if I trust it.  I think I'd rather stick to the iRiver or JB3 and save my pennies until another option comes up.

edit: On the other hand, if you don't record 4 mic or 2 mic + SBD sources often is the additional cost worth it?

[Brian Skalinder]

ACTUALLY, You used $4,000 for the price off the 744.  Therefore, $4,000-$3,650=$350.   

Duh...I missed the 744 alone part.  I figured it made more sense to compare your scenario to the 722 scenario.  Shall we recalculate all scenarios  in base 8?

I think you're probably right though.  When you have that much money in your rig, what's another $350 to go full 24 bit?  The only problem I see there is that the MT is the only 24 bit capture device that I can think of for that cheap, and I don't know if I trust it.  I think I'd rather stick to the iRiver or JB3 and save my pennies until another option comes up.

Exactly...what's another $250, or $350, depending on the scenario, to get from 2-ch 16-bit + 2-ch 24-bit to all 4-ch 24-bit.  On the other hand, a difference of $1k on two different 4-ch 24-bit solutions (my original two scenarios) is a bigger deal to me personally.  I have no problem relying on the MT2496 - did it for a while, and I'd be comfortable doing it again.

[TNJazz]

Just buy an R4 and shut the hell up everyone...   

[Shawn]

what about just using two hdp2 units. They can be had for $800 new on ebay.


Scenario 4
$800   | hdp2 (new off ebay)
$800   | hdp2 (new off ebay)
$1,100 | V3 (used)
$1,100 | V3 (used)
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$3,800


That gets you 4 channels of V3 pre/ad, 24/192 capabilites, word clock syncability. all for less than either scenario involving a 7xx box.

[thegreatgumbino]

what about just using two hdp2 units. They can be had for $800 new on ebay.


Scenario 4
$800   | hdp2 (new off ebay)
$800   | hdp2 (new off ebay)
$1,100 | V3 (used)
$1,100 | V3 (used)
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$3,800


That gets you 4 channels of V3 pre/ad, 24/192 capabilites, word clock syncability. all for less than either scenario involving a 7xx box.

Definitely do-able, but it seems like a heck of a lot to schlep around.  Additionally, don't you have to account for CF cards for both of the P2's?  If so, add another couple hundred.

I still like the 722 option though since you can run it as a stand alone all in one box if desired.

[Shawn]

what about just using two hdp2 units. They can be had for $800 new on ebay.


Scenario 4
$800   | hdp2 (new off ebay)
$800   | hdp2 (new off ebay)
$1,100 | V3 (used)
$1,100 | V3 (used)
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$3,800


That gets you 4 channels of V3 pre/ad, 24/192 capabilites, word clock syncability. all for less than either scenario involving a 7xx box.

Definitely do-able, but it seems like a heck of a lot to schlep around.  Additionally, don't you have to account for CF cards for both of the P2's?  If so, add another couple hundred.

I still like the 722 option though since you can run it as a stand alone all in one box if desired.

yeah it would be a hell of a lot to lug around. I forgot CF memory. that would a few hundred more. maybe bring the total up to around $4000.

You can run the hdp2 stand alone if you wanted to carry a light rig. hell... if you wanted you could just bring both p2s and still have 4 channel word clockable 24 bit capabilites. that would be comparable to 744 + pre.

[thegreatgumbino]

yeah it would be a hell of a lot to lug around. I forgot CF memory. that would a few hundred more. maybe bring the total up to around $4000.

You can run the hdp2 stand alone if you wanted to carry a light rig. hell... if you wanted you could just bring both p2s and still have 4 channel word clockable 24 bit capabilites. that would be comparable to 744 + pre.

I agree, but the 722 is smaller than the HDP2, has a better build quality, and sounds better IMO.  Not to mention SD's customer service is top notch.  Just personal preference. 

Definitely a good point though.  For that matter, someone could run two Oade mod P2's & word clock them for a great sounding rig that is about the price of the 722 alone.

Edit:  The P2 doesn't have word clock out, only clock in, so I don't think it's do-able to sync two P2's.

[TNJazz]

yeah it would be a hell of a lot to lug around. I forgot CF memory. that would a few hundred more. maybe bring the total up to around $4000.

You can run the hdp2 stand alone if you wanted to carry a light rig. hell... if you wanted you could just bring both p2s and still have 4 channel word clockable 24 bit capabilites. that would be comparable to 744 + pre.

I agree, but the 722 is smaller than the HDP2, has a better build quality, and sounds better IMO.  Not to mention SD's customer service is top notch.  Just personal preference. 

Definitely a good point though.  For that matter, someone could run two Oade mod P2's & word clock them for a great sounding rig that is about the price of the 722 alone.

Edit:  The P2 doesn't have word clock out, only clock in, so I don't think it's do-able to sync two P2's.

Clock signal is inherent in any digital stream.  You could clock them together via SPDIF.  Can you record analog in if the clock is set to SPDIF though, that's the question.

[pilgrims622]

im curious to see how the C. Link function works

make sure both 7xx series units are on the same version, are set to same bit/khz rate, set to same preroll time and it should work great

[terrapinj]

im curious to see how the C. Link function works

make sure both 7xx series units are on the same version, are set to same bit/khz rate, set to same preroll time and it should work great

sweet, thanks! not sure if they are on the same firmware, definitely have to check that one out

[thepassionofyonder]

edit: On the other hand, if you don't record 4 mic or 2 mic + SBD sources often is the additional cost worth it?

im presently looking into going to 24 bit and im not sure which damn direction to go.
this thread is answering a bunch of the questions im having.
but im still trying to justify spending more money on this hobby,
and how much more i can justify spending without going overboard for my needs.