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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #345 on: March 10, 2012, 06:53:13 PM »
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can someone explain to me how brickwalling happens at lower levels
By "lower levels" I assume you mean lower recording levels, not lower sound levels (e.g., a quiet show).

From my new-found understanding, the menu's GAIN setting controls a first stage, and the rocker-switch LEVEL setting controls a second stage. So for a typical loud show you may find yourself setting GAIN=HIGH, and then reducing the LEVEL setting to prevent the PEAK light from blinking. But what's going on is you're overloading the first stage (controlled by the menu's GAIN setting), invoking its limiter feature to "brickwall" the first-stage output. Once that's happening, you are misled into thinking you got a good combination of settings. It seems that the first-stage limiter produces an output level that then requires a LEVEL setting at ~70 to avoid the PEAK light from coming on. So the guideline is to not use a LEVEL setting below ~70, if instead you can reduce the GAIN setting, because if you find a LEVEL less than ~70 is necessary (with GAIN higher than LOW), it might mean that you're overloading the input stage, and your recording will be brickwalled.

My take-home (using the internal mics - YMMV) is to start with GAIN=LOW, and LEVEL at a high setting (I started with 85 last night), and after the first song (or during the sound check), back down on the LEVEL as necessary. If you're stealthing, and can't get to the unit to reduce the LEVEL after the first song, set DUAL at -12dB and hope for the best, expecting to use that lower-gain recording for production if you guessed too high on the LEVEL setting. (At least, if you record 24bit/96kHz, and intend to publish 16bit/44.1kHz, you have numerical room to change the gain in post on the resulting DUAL recording without too much loss of fidelity.)
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #346 on: March 12, 2012, 05:29:39 AM »
Is anyone using 32gb cards with their DR-2d's? I'm thinking about getting one. Any recomendations or known good cards?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #347 on: March 12, 2012, 01:13:46 PM »
Is anyone using 32gb cards with their DR-2d's? I'm thinking about getting one. Any recomendations or known good cards?
Thanks in advance.
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Check out the tested media list. It should be a nice spot to start.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #348 on: March 12, 2012, 01:38:00 PM »
Is anyone using 32gb cards with their DR-2d's? I'm thinking about getting one. Any recomendations or known good cards?
Thanks in advance.

This has been covered several times previoudsly.  I use Transcend class 10 and Kingston class 4 or 6 cards of 32GB capacity.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #349 on: March 12, 2012, 11:52:59 PM »
I'm using an A-Data card for my DR2D, which is a 16gb SDHC Card ;)
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #350 on: March 13, 2012, 05:23:42 AM »
Sorry, should have searched first.
I didn't think Tascam would ever update their tested media list. Guess I underestimated them.
Anyway, thanks!

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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #351 on: March 13, 2012, 10:02:35 AM »
First outing with this recorder on Sunday and everything went fairly well. 4022>vms5u(gain @30db)>xlr to mini>DR2d (line in @ 95). I was very close to the PA system  and but no overload issues at all. More trials to come.

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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #352 on: March 13, 2012, 12:58:43 PM »
Did my first 4 track matrix with my DR-2d last month. Will be up on archive soon. Here's a video from the gig using my audio. The mix was done by Greg Williamson at The Kill Room studio in Seattle.

Mics were KAM m3 sdc x/y cardioid caps, I used two channels of the MixWiz console for phantom and preamps, with the other two channels for L/R from the board.

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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #353 on: March 13, 2012, 01:45:12 PM »
Great sound!
Onstage mics plus board is the way to at small rock shows like that.
Also, nice shot of your mics at ~4:27.

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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #354 on: March 13, 2012, 02:01:29 PM »
I had the advantage of being asked by the event organizers to record, and my buddy was running FOH that night. The mics were his KAM m3 drum overheads. My Avantone CK-1 mics were a mile away recording another gig that night.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #355 on: March 13, 2012, 09:23:15 PM »
Perhaps a question for a separate thread, but has anyone run a 4ch recording with 2 different sets of mics, then mixed the LF frequencies from one pair of mics and the HF from the other pair? Kind of thinking how a crossover in a loudspeaker works, using the better-sounding mics for each part of the audio spectrum.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #356 on: March 13, 2012, 09:35:37 PM »
Perhaps a question for a separate thread, but has anyone run a 4ch recording with 2 different sets of mics, then mixed the LF frequencies from one pair of mics and the HF from the other pair? Kind of thinking how a crossover in a loudspeaker works, using the better-sounding mics for each part of the audio spectrum.
I've done something to this effect. I've owned a DR-2D for about a year now and love it. I ran my DPA 4061's split ~30" and AKG CK93's DINa for Phish last summer and mixed the sources with pretty good results (not quite what your talking about I think). The DPA's were good for the low end and "opening" up the recording, while the hypers were helpful in reducing audience chatter and overall clarity of the recording. It's definitely worth trying out some different mic combos, I think there's potential for some great sounding tapes.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #357 on: March 13, 2012, 10:35:14 PM »
Perhaps a question for a separate thread, but has anyone run a 4ch recording with 2 different sets of mics, then mixed the LF frequencies from one pair of mics and the HF from the other pair? Kind of thinking how a crossover in a loudspeaker works, using the better-sounding mics for each part of the audio spectrum.

I've made a number of recordings with that possibility in mind, but have never gotten around to messing with the filtering. 

But that's what WifiJeff does with his miniature DPA supercards + omnis.  The response of the supercards rolls of their bottom end and I think he low passes the omnis.  He places each supercard and omni in close proximity of each other to eliminate time arrival differences between the two corresponding mics of each side.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #358 on: March 13, 2012, 11:06:41 PM »
Hmmm, anyone use microSD cards in SD adapters in the DR-2D? I have 32GB of microSD memory for my M10 that I would like to use if I were to switch recorders.
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Re: TASCAM DR-2d - announced at NAMM
« Reply #359 on: March 14, 2012, 12:29:03 PM »
Perhaps a question for a separate thread, but has anyone run a 4ch recording with 2 different sets of mics, then mixed the LF frequencies from one pair of mics and the HF from the other pair? Kind of thinking how a crossover in a loudspeaker works, using the better-sounding mics for each part of the audio spectrum.

I've done this once or twice.  Really can't recall at this point what I thought of the results.  I mixed cheaper omnis plus higher end cards (since I can't recall when I did this, I don't remember the mics used) for outdoor shows at Red Rocks.

Wanted the omnis (split) for the spaciousness and for the low end response, but knew the cards would have better mids and highs.  I did HPF on the cards and LPF on the omnis and mixed them.  Sorry, I can't remember any of the details on the crossover point I used, or how far down I lowered the "unwanted" frequencies. 

Seems like it should work fine, with no worse phase issues than just mixing 4 mics straight up.  I probably should try it more.
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