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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #285 on: October 10, 2005, 09:19:05 AM »
Sorry I phrased that poorly... obviously you don't want to run at low levels... I just meant that a signal as low as -20db is still salvageable in 24 bit. ;)

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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #286 on: October 10, 2005, 07:25:52 PM »
If I had one criticism I'd say that the meters on the 660 would be more handy. I guess Marantz figures the 660 meters are cheaper because they're LED and the 671 has the nice display... but I'd like to be able to glance down and see a row of green lights with a red at 0db. Like RDunn says, if the backlight is on then it's pretty easy to monitor levels, but I'd still rather have a row of LEDs.

The LED's are REALLY difficult to see outdoors on a sunny day, but good when not in direct sunlight.
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #287 on: October 10, 2005, 07:42:03 PM »
If I had one criticism I'd say that the meters on the 660 would be more handy. I guess Marantz figures the 660 meters are cheaper because they're LED and the 671 has the nice display... but I'd like to be able to glance down and see a row of green lights with a red at 0db. Like RDunn says, if the backlight is on then it's pretty easy to monitor levels, but I'd still rather have a row of LEDs.

The LED's are REALLY difficult to see outdoors on a sunny day, but good when not in direct sunlight.

d5...is this on the 660 or 671? 

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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #288 on: October 10, 2005, 07:44:25 PM »
If I had one criticism I'd say that the meters on the 660 would be more handy. I guess Marantz figures the 660 meters are cheaper because they're LED and the 671 has the nice display... but I'd like to be able to glance down and see a row of green lights with a red at 0db. Like RDunn says, if the backlight is on then it's pretty easy to monitor levels, but I'd still rather have a row of LEDs.

The LED's are REALLY difficult to see outdoors on a sunny day, but good when not in direct sunlight.

d5...is this on the 660 or 671? 

thanks

The 660 has LEDs. The 671 has an LCD panel.
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #289 on: October 10, 2005, 08:17:33 PM »
If I had one criticism I'd say that the meters on the 660 would be more handy. I guess Marantz figures the 660 meters are cheaper because they're LED and the 671 has the nice display... but I'd like to be able to glance down and see a row of green lights with a red at 0db. Like RDunn says, if the backlight is on then it's pretty easy to monitor levels, but I'd still rather have a row of LEDs.

The LED's are REALLY difficult to see outdoors on a sunny day, but good when not in direct sunlight.

d5...is this on the 660 or 671? 

thanks

The 660 has LEDs. The 671 has an LCD panel.

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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #290 on: October 10, 2005, 08:27:08 PM »
I was reading thru my Full Compass magazine the otehr day and noticed that there is a remote for the 671 as well, its menat to go around a mic, and could EASILY fit around a stand at eye level

it supposedly has meters on the remote and also has a battery meter or sometrhing

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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #291 on: October 10, 2005, 08:36:08 PM »
I was reading thru my Full Compass magazine the otehr day and noticed that there is a remote for the 671 as well, its menat to go around a mic, and could EASILY fit around a stand at eye level

it supposedly has meters on the remote and also has a battery meter or sometrhing

im gonna have to dig that zine out and see whats up!

Let us know what you find.
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #292 on: October 10, 2005, 08:49:32 PM »
I was reading thru my Full Compass magazine the otehr day and noticed that there is a remote for the 671 as well, its menat to go around a mic, and could EASILY fit around a stand at eye level

it supposedly has meters on the remote and also has a battery meter or sometrhing

im gonna have to dig that zine out and see whats up!

Let us know what you find.
Bean, are you going to be getting one of these? I'm commited to it! I've got my order in.  ;D

I think so, im just gonna wait til tax return time and splurge some money on taping ;D

Maybe get some TL's as well
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #293 on: October 10, 2005, 08:58:34 PM »
I was reading thru my Full Compass magazine the otehr day and noticed that there is a remote for the 671 as well, its menat to go around a mic, and could EASILY fit around a stand at eye level

it supposedly has meters on the remote and also has a battery meter or sometrhing

im gonna have to dig that zine out and see whats up!

Let us know what you find.
Bean, are you going to be getting one of these? I'm commited to it! I've got my order in.  ;D


I think so, im just gonna wait til tax return time and splurge some money on taping ;D

Maybe get some TL's as well

But not leaving Team AKG though... are you  ???

Even with the Tascam unit recently announced, I'm going with the ACM PMD 671.
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #294 on: October 11, 2005, 02:28:44 AM »
I was reading thru my Full Compass magazine the otehr day and noticed that there is a remote for the 671 as well, its menat to go around a mic, and could EASILY fit around a stand at eye level

it supposedly has meters on the remote and also has a battery meter or sometrhing

im gonna have to dig that zine out and see whats up!

Let us know what you find.
Bean, are you going to be getting one of these? I'm commited to it! I've got my order in.  ;D


I think so, im just gonna wait til tax return time and splurge some money on taping ;D

Maybe get some TL's as well

But not leaving Team AKG though... are you  ???

Even with the Tascam unit recently announced, I'm going with the ACM PMD 671.


not yet ;D
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #295 on: October 11, 2005, 02:29:52 AM »
oh and chuck, I think the ACM PMD-671 will be the BOMB ;D

I wonder if i could still use digi-in if i got the ACM mod as well ???

how much is an ACM mod 671 ???
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #296 on: October 11, 2005, 07:13:30 AM »
yes, digi in is still hot.  the ACM is just the preamp.
price will be under $1200.  or, that is the latest projection.

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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #297 on: October 17, 2005, 07:37:47 PM »
been a while since i posted, so here are some things i have found:

taped the Comes A Time gig at the greek a couple of weeks back. used 40 NiMH & 8 alkaline batteries in the course of the day and still did not get the whole show on my 671. glad i was running DAT out of the FP33 as well. i have never had this problem before. further investigation reveals that the 2500 and 2400 Lenmar NiMH batteries are fat enough that when the battery sled is dropped in the tray, the contacts are shifted enuogh to make the connection weak. i can pinch the deck in the middle of the battery cover and the deck will shut off. the best run time i had with this deck was using the 2000mah lenmars, they are a nicer fit in the sled/tray. To make the higher capacity batteries, lenmar and the other manufactures add girth and length to the case, note that the positive tab on many high cap NiMH batteries is shorter. SO BEWARE fitting the big capacity batt's into this deck. at least test it out at home bewfore heading to the show. the fat batt's do not let the sled move in the tray so that the springs in the end can keep the sled up against the contacts, plus i think the high cap batt's raise the sled up enough to make the contacts sketchy.

ohh, what i did get (all but the last 45min) came out NICE!
*************************************************
Doug Oade is only recommending the Cross Technology BC900 battery charger for NiMH recharging. i ordered mine today from thomasdistributing.com for about $50 delivered. the charger will cycle batteries until they reach their max charge and it will display each battery's charge level!!!!!

http://www.thomasdistributing.com/la_crosse_bc-900_battery_charger-display.php

so, seeing as how i had a couple of sets of batteries that had only been cycled 4 or 5 times, i may have also been struck by bad or not-fully-charged batteries. after the new charger arrives i will see.
**************************************************
after much wrangling with levels on the 671, i finally went with doug's suggestion of "7" on the 671 input and then setting the level on the FP33 to get good levels on the 671. worked like a charm - NO MORE TICKS. HOWEVER the FP33 levels end up so low that the unbalanced signal out of the FP33 as well as the headphone levels are pretty low... i miss having the nice loud headphones... i may try an attenuator cable into the 671 and see what that does. in the end, i think i will have to send the 671 to doug for some custom work to get the 671 to live happily with the output level of the FP33. and YES i know the FP33 can output MIC levels and YES i could just run that into an ACM 671, BUT i really dislike losing the LINE IN that happens when doing the ACM mod.
**************************************************
MEMORY, MEMORY
i spoke to D&M pro today. they only recommend Lexar, PNY, Viking, Hitachi, & IBM for media. i have been running Delkin 4G cards with poor results (at least one 1sec burst of static in my recording each time i used the card) as well as the basic A10 ScanDisc 4G with great results. i spoke to Delkin today as well as a couple of weeks back and their answer as to why i always get a burst of static on their cards is that their cards are not optimized for continuous write. so i caution all of you to look carefully at spec before purchasing CF cards. my memory retailer buddy was amazed t6hat the cheapie ScanDisc worked until he went to their website where he noticed that the cheapie card is the only card (of all levels they make) ScanDisc indicates will work with digital audio devices. he also commented that Lexar was way out of line pricewise. (remember that ScanDisc invented the CF card...) anyway, i can find PNY 4G cards for $200 and i need to grab a couple of cards fast...

has anybody any experience running PNY CF cards????
can we get some posts of what people are using for memory including size??? and whether they are successfully recording and PLAYING BACK their recordings???
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yes, the deck will run on 10v or greater, i can confirm from inhouse testing. it needs the 15v in order to be able to charge the NiMH.  i plan to run 12vSLA to get rid of the NiMH issues this run, then do some heavy research. btw, i am building my SLA battery packs with a 4 digit digital voltage display. will try to post a picture tomorrow or the next day. the display only pulls 1ma, so it can actually be on all the time or can be made to turn on when you plug in the 4pin XLR.
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the meters are not as nice as my ole HHB PDR1k. but that does not really bother me, what really bugs me is that the preamp issue clouds the usefulness of the meters. you can overload the input, ruin your recording,  and still have your recording showing that it never peaked higher than -6dB. i would also LOVE to have some sort of peak light for each channel. still i have the FP33 up front, so i have to use that now.
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i have 6 Govt Mule shows coming my way starting friday nite at the fillmore. i gotta solve this memory issue pretty d*mn cop-chop.

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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #298 on: October 17, 2005, 08:00:54 PM »
been a while since i posted, so here are some things i have found:

taped the Comes A Time gig at the greek a couple of weeks back. used 40 NiMH & 8 alkaline batteries in the course of the day and still did not get the whole show on my 671. glad i was running DAT out of the FP33 as well. i have never had this problem before. further investigation reveals that the 2500 and 2400 Lenmar NiMH batteries are fat enough that when the battery sled is dropped in the tray, the contacts are shifted enuogh to make the connection weak. i can pinch the deck in the middle of the battery cover and the deck will shut off. the best run time i had with this deck was using the 2000mah lenmars, they are a nicer fit in the sled/tray. To make the higher capacity batteries, lenmar and the other manufactures add girth and length to the case, note that the positive tab on many high cap NiMH batteries is shorter. SO BEWARE fitting the big capacity batt's into this deck. at least test it out at home bewfore heading to the show. the fat batt's do not let the sled move in the tray so that the springs in the end can keep the sled up against the contacts, plus i think the high cap batt's raise the sled up enough to make the contacts sketchy.

ohh, what i did get (all but the last 45min) came out NICE!
*************************************************
Doug Oade is only recommending the Cross Technology BC900 battery charger for NiMH recharging. i ordered mine today from thomasdistributing.com for about $50 delivered. the charger will cycle batteries until they reach their max charge and it will display each battery's charge level!!!!!

http://www.thomasdistributing.com/la_crosse_bc-900_battery_charger-display.php

so, seeing as how i had a couple of sets of batteries that had only been cycled 4 or 5 times, i may have also been struck by bad or not-fully-charged batteries. after the new charger arrives i will see.
**************************************************
after much wrangling with levels on the 671, i finally went with doug's suggestion of "7" on the 671 input and then setting the level on the FP33 to get good levels on the 671. worked like a charm - NO MORE TICKS. HOWEVER the FP33 levels end up so low that the unbalanced signal out of the FP33 as well as the headphone levels are pretty low... i miss having the nice loud headphones... i may try an attenuator cable into the 671 and see what that does. in the end, i think i will have to send the 671 to doug for some custom work to get the 671 to live happily with the output level of the FP33. and YES i know the FP33 can output MIC levels and YES i could just run that into an ACM 671, BUT i really dislike losing the LINE IN that happens when doing the ACM mod.
**************************************************
MEMORY, MEMORY
i spoke to D&M pro today. they only recommend Lexar, PNY, Viking, Hitachi, & IBM for media. i have been running Delkin 4G cards with poor results (at least one 1sec burst of static in my recording each time i used the card) as well as the basic A10 ScanDisc 4G with great results. i spoke to Delkin today as well as a couple of weeks back and their answer as to why i always get a burst of static on their cards is that their cards are not optimized for continuous write. so i caution all of you to look carefully at spec before purchasing CF cards. my memory retailer buddy was amazed t6hat the cheapie ScanDisc worked until he went to their website where he noticed that the cheapie card is the only card (of all levels they make) ScanDisc indicates will work with digital audio devices. he also commented that Lexar was way out of line pricewise. (remember that ScanDisc invented the CF card...) anyway, i can find PNY 4G cards for $200 and i need to grab a couple of cards fast...

has anybody any experience running PNY CF cards????
can we get some posts of what people are using for memory including size??? and whether they are successfully recording and PLAYING BACK their recordings???
*************************************************
yes, the deck will run on 10v or greater, i can confirm from inhouse testing. it needs the 15v in order to be able to charge the NiMH.  i plan to run 12vSLA to get rid of the NiMH issues this run, then do some heavy research. btw, i am building my SLA battery packs with a 4 digit digital voltage display. will try to post a picture tomorrow or the next day. the display only pulls 1ma, so it can actually be on all the time or can be made to turn on when you plug in the 4pin XLR.
*************************************************
the meters are not as nice as my ole HHB PDR1k. but that does not really bother me, what really bugs me is that the preamp issue clouds the usefulness of the meters. you can overload the input, ruin your recording,  and still have your recording showing that it never peaked higher than -6dB. i would also LOVE to have some sort of peak light for each channel. still i have the FP33 up front, so i have to use that now.
*************************************************
i have 6 Govt Mule shows coming my way starting friday nite at the fillmore. i gotta solve this memory issue pretty d*mn cop-chop.

neil in san marcos

Is your 671 a stock unit?
I spoke with Doug today and he says it'll be December before all the parts for the Advanced Concert Mod PMD 671 arrive.

the meters are not as nice as my ole HHB PDR1k. but that does not really bother me, what really bugs me is that the preamp issue clouds the usefulness of the meters. you can overload the input, ruin your recording,  and still have your recording showing that it never peaked higher than -6dB. i would also LOVE to have some sort of peak light for each channel. still i have the FP33 up front, so i have to use that now.
^^^
Could you elaborate on this? The meters on the 671 are not accurate?

Doug recommended the Kingston Elite Pro media, which I bought. I don't have the deck yet to try it in.

I guess I'll have to get the specs on various AA NiMH batteries to find "thin" ones. I planned to go with 2300 mAh AA's and the La Crosse charger.

My understanding is that you can still run line in on the ACM PMD 671, you just have to do it through the XLR inputs.
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Re: Marantz PMD 671 announced (on Oade)
« Reply #299 on: October 17, 2005, 08:30:29 PM »
Chuck,

He's referring to a stock unit.  The overloading happens on both 660 and 671 stock units. 

 

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