Topic: Neuros HD testing

[timP]

I got 4 hours the one time I had to run it that long, and it's A?D is just as passable as the JB3s. Pretty cooll little brick I think.
just really like my 120 is all..................

[Sean Gallemore]

I got 4 hours the one time I had to run it that long, and it's A?D is just as passable as the JB3s. Pretty cooll little brick I think.
just really like my 120 is all..................

you had a neuros for a while?

[Sean Gallemore]

http://www.sonicstudios.com/page38.html

downl the page a ways is some info and display pictures of the Neuros

[Tenn Man]

Hey Schwill,

You seem to have the most knowledge about using the Neuros, so I'd like to ask you a couple of questions.

I understand that the JB3 has a digital input but the Neuros does not. What is the significance of having a digi-in?

In what situations would you need a digi-in vs. a line-in?

Does the Neuros have an A/D converter?

Can you use an external A/D converter plugged into the line-in?

I know it depends on the volume of the source, but is a pre-amp gernerally needed with SP mics or is a battery box usually enough with the Neuros?

Thanks for your info.

[Brian Skalinder]

What is the significance of having a digi-in?

A digital input allows you to run an outboard ADC.  Outboard ADCs generally sound better than internal ADCs on consumer-level recorders.

In what situations would you need a digi-in vs. a line-in?

If you're running an outboard ADC.

Does the Neuros have an A/D converter?

Yes.

Can you use an external A/D converter plugged into the line-in?

Nope.  Since the Neuros does not have a digital input, you can't feed it a digital signal from an outboard ADC.

[Sean Gallemore]

The significance of not having the digi-in on the Neuros is that you CANNOT use a higher quality external A/D converter.  You must use the internal one, which is the generic consumer crapola.  A digital input is great for running high dollar external adcs for the best sound.  If you don't have an external adc, then the digital input is virtually useless.

No, an external adc cannot be directly pluuged into line-in unless the signal is passed through a lossy analog conversion - ie: line out of a UA-5 - or taken from the line-out of a multi-purpose box like the Grace V3.

I would say you definitely won't clip if you don't have a preamp, I'm not sure how close you could reach to 0dB, however, as I haven't done any testing at concerts with out my MP-2.  The line-in on the Neuros probably has the equivelant gain as the line-in on an MD, but this is just speculation.

[Sean Gallemore]

jerk beat me to it

[Tenn Man]

Thanks to both of you. Helpful info.

Schwill, what do you like about the Neuros vs. the JB3?

Is there anything new on the horizon?

[Sean Gallemore]

Thanks to both of you. Helpful info.

Schwill, what do you like about the Neuros vs. the JB3?

Is there anything new on the horizon?

Pros for Neuros:
it broadcasts over radio frequencies in a limited area.
It's external power supply can range from 9-16V DC
It's shape
It can be upgraded with the purchase of new backpacks, which in the future may have additional/different inputs/outputs, can be upgraded to 80+ GB, more flash, etc.
Great online support by both users and developers
Updated Firmware comes out about once a month, if not more.
I feel the levels are better for analog recording

Pros for JB3:
Internal Battery lasts a lot longer in JB3
Digital Input
Firewire & USB
More reputable
I think it has a line-out
The software has to be better.  I think the Neuros software is disgustingly useless.

I'm sure there are more...

[arawak420]

ive been checking the neuros myself. so it isn't digital like it says, or im thinking it records analog and converts internally to digital? am i right here? i heard the  neuros record with a battery life of 2.5 hours in wav format seeings how the hd is constantly running.

 i read earlier says that there was a jump in the recording. was that cause you moved or got bumped? in wav. format it is running the entire time. heres a picture of a 10 hour record time battery pack that attaches to the recrder.
 

there is a 2nd generation model out.

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/NA-HARDDISC link to it

so what the conclussion on the neuros vs. jb3

should i just go for the digital jb3?

can i take the recording from the neuros and run it into a home a/d converter into the pc?
kind of like
sound source>mics>analog>neuros
when i trasfer tp pc can i, neuros>home a/d converter>pc to get digital sound
can that work,will it work, or dont do it?

so what the conclussion on the neuros vs. jb3?

conclussion please cause im still confused.

[Sean Gallemore]

ive been checking the neuros myself. so it isn't digital like it says, or im thinking it records analog and converts internally to digital? am i right here? i heard the  neuros record with a battery life of 2.5 hours in wav format seeings how the hd is constantly running.

you are correct on both accounts, but I have gotten less recording time out of the internal battery than 2.5 hours.

i read earlier says that there was a jump in the recording. was that cause you moved or got bumped? in wav. format it is running the entire time. heres a picture of a 10 hour record time battery pack that attaches to the recrder.

that was a one time deal.  I'm not sure what happened.  I ahd another instance were it introduced mild static for about 3 seconds into the recording, but that hasn't happened again either.

there is a 2nd generation model out.

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/NA-HARDDISC link to it

so what the conclussion on the neuros vs. jb3

I listed the Pros and Cons above, based ion my limited use with both. I suppose which ever fits your needs best would take the cake.

should i just go for the digital jb3?

probably, unless you want the extra gimmicks that come with the Neuros

can i take the recording from the neuros and run it into a home a/d converter into the pc?
kind of like
sound source>mics>analog>neuros
when i trasfer tp pc can i, neuros>home a/d converter>pc to get digital sound
can that work,will it work, or dont do it?

I answered this in the other thread.  It will be a direct data transfer from the Neuros to your PC.  The Neuros acts like a 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) harddrive so you can directly copy files.

so what the conclussion on the neuros vs. jb3?

I went with the Neuros for shape and the possibility of future upgrades.  It all depends on what options you need and how much you are willing to spend

conclussion please cause im still confused.

hopefully this helped

[arawak420]

i know that i can transfer straight to the pc via 2.0, but in order to get digi qaulity it might be worth it to run it to run it through a home a/d converter>pc in real time to get digital qaul.

i have a 40gb zen im gonna sell here soon

[Sean Gallemore]

i know that i can transfer straight to the pc via 2.0, but in order to get digi qaulity it might be worth it to run it to run it through a home a/d converter>pc in real time to get digital qaul.

i have a 40gb zen im gonna sell here soon

If something has the ability to record in 16 bit, 44.1khz wav, then it is already a digital device and there is no need for post conversion.

[zhianosatch]

i know that i can transfer straight to the pc via 2.0, but in order to get digi qaulity it might be worth it to run it to run it through a home a/d converter>pc in real time to get digital qaul.

there has to be some basic "analog v. digital" faq on the internet somewhere