Topic: good cheap way to matrix on the fly SBD + mics w/R09-HR?

[goodcooker]

Just get a Tascam DR2D.  200 bucks for 4 tracks with no clock drift issues like you'd get with 2 recorders.

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[darby]

Just get a Tascam DR2D.  200 bucks for 4 tracks with no clock drift issues like you'd get with 2 recorders.

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does this unit allow you to record 2 stereo Line In sources... or just 1 plus the built in Mics?

EDIT: doesn't look like it according to specs

[goodcooker]

Just get a Tascam DR2D.  200 bucks for 4 tracks with no clock drift issues like you'd get with 2 recorders.

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does this unit allow you to record 2 stereo Line In sources... or just 1 plus the built in Mics?

EDIT: doesn't look like it according to specs

Separate stereo files from the mic and line inputs.

[Will_S]

Just to clarify, mic INPUT as well as line input, not just internal mics.  The mic in can accept a consumer line level signal but a pro signal would need attenuation.

[darby]

Just to clarify, mic INPUT as well as line input, not just internal mics.  The mic in can accept a consumer line level signal but a pro signal would need attenuation.

so you can basically use a Littlebox > Line In and SBD RCA Out > Mic In... how would you set levels for each?
and can you record 2 separate audio files or are you limited to the "Mix" feature?

after I sold my 680, I've been using 2 M10s to record a second source the few times I have access off the SBD
and then having to deal with the drift in post... this would be alot easier

but then again I'm very unhappy with TEAC's customer service after the 680 debacle (sorry that's another thread)

[stantheman1976]

Just to clarify, mic INPUT as well as line input, not just internal mics.  The mic in can accept a consumer line level signal but a pro signal would need attenuation.

so you can basically use a Littlebox > Line In and SBD RCA Out > Mic In... how would you set levels for each?
and can you record 2 separate audio files or are you limited to the "Mix" feature?

after I sold my 680, I've been using 2 M10s to record a second source the few times I have access off the SBD
and then having to deal with the drift in post... this would be alot easier

but then again I'm very unhappy with TEAC's customer service after the 680 debacle (sorry that's another thread)

It will record each source to a separate stereo file and they are both perfectly in sync.  You'll plug one source into one input and the other source into the other.

The only minor downside is the line in source can't be adjusted on the fly.  You have to set it before recording and you're stuck with that level until you stop recording.  You can record in 24 bit and set your levels a few points low and amplify in post though.

[Will_S]

Just to clarify, mic INPUT as well as line input, not just internal mics.  The mic in can accept a consumer line level signal but a pro signal would need attenuation.

so you can basically use a Littlebox > Line In and SBD RCA Out > Mic In... how would you set levels for each?
and can you record 2 separate audio files or are you limited to the "Mix" feature?

I would do (in fact, I do do) the reverse:  SBD>line in and Littlebox > mic in.  With Audix Micro mics and "amplified bluegrass" type shows, I have the mic in set to low sensitivity and 70 (which seems to be the same levelwise as line in at 100) and have levels on the Littlebox around noon.  Line in at 100 works for most RCA out borads, quarter inch or XLRs I find often run hotter so I's set levels at 90 and either try to get a sense of levels during sound check or put an inline attenuator there just in case.

[darby]

I would do (in fact, I do do) the reverse:  SBD>line in and Littlebox > mic in.  With Audix Micro mics and "amplified bluegrass" type shows, I have the mic in set to low sensitivity and 70 (which seems to be the same levelwise as line in at 100) and have levels on the Littlebox around noon.  Line in at 100 works for most RCA out boards, quarter inch or XLRs I find often run hotter so I's set levels at 90 and either try to get a sense of levels during sound check or put an inline attenuator there just in case.

The only minor downside is the line in source can't be adjusted on the fly.  You have to set it before recording and you're stuck with that level until you stop recording.

since you can't adjust your Line In levels while recording both sources...
wouldn't it make more sense to use your Littlebox > Line In and use the gains to control your levels?
and can you monitor both sources while recording simultaneously? 


BTW... sorry Brian, for the threadjack 

[F.O.Bean]

No, good Q's Darby, because Ive been wondering the exact same thing

[Brian E.]

thanks for all the posting, will read it when I get a chance

[Will_S]

since you can't adjust your Line In levels while recording both sources...
wouldn't it make more sense to use your Littlebox > Line In and use the gains to control your levels?
and can you monitor both sources while recording simultaneously? 

I guess in many cases it might make sense to do it that way, except that a really hot board feed will be more than the mic in can handle but I've never encountered a situation where the Littlebox at minimum gain would overload it.  In general I try to set my levels right/conservatively in the first place and not mess with them during a show, so the lack of line in level adjustments when in dual recording mode is a non-issue to me.

[NSL]

So with the Tascam DR2D, would it possible to do this -
CA-11 > CA-9000 > DR2D (mic in)
SBD > DR2d (line in)
To create one track mixed together?

[darby]

since you can't adjust your Line In levels while recording both sources...
wouldn't it make more sense to use your Littlebox > Line In and use the gains to control your levels?
and can you monitor both sources while recording simultaneously?

I guess in many cases it might make sense to do it that way, except that a really hot board feed will be more than the mic in can handle but I've never encountered a situation where the Littlebox at minimum gain would overload it.  In general I try to set my levels right/conservatively in the first place and not mess with them during a show, so the lack of line in level adjustments when in dual recording mode is a non-issue to me.

for an RCA out on a SBD you can set the level out with no worries and I prefer to have control over my levels

So with the Tascam DR2D, would it possible to do this -
CA-11 > CA-9000 > DR2D (mic in)
SBD > DR2d (line in)
To create one track mixed together?

I still believe it would be easier to go SBD > Mic In Low setting because you can adjust your Mic In on the unit while recording
and use your CA-9000 > Line In so you can adjust your preamp's levels because you cannot adjust your Line In on the unit while recording
that will create 2 separate stereo tracks you can then line up in post to create a matrix... not sure from your post if that's what you meant

[NSL]

Thanks for the info, that seems to be what i'm looking for.  I've never mixed sources before so that would be the only thing I really need to figure out.