Author Topic: sony 3000es + b&w610i...static?! (Read 8017 times)

Simp-Dawg · « **on:** December 06, 2005, 10:01:08 PM »

all i can seem to get is static with this combo. is there some incompatibility i don't know about?

the impedence of the speakers is 4 ohms. not sure how to tell what the sony is? too much info in the manual...
need a little help here, i'm too green with this playback stuff!

twoodruff · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:03:35 PM »

sony not rated for 4 ohm loads

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:05:41 PM »

d'oh!

fuck me...

would it damage the speakers?

twoodruff · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:06:36 PM »

dunno, i did it too, I can't even get anything to the speakers

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:14:39 PM »

now i can't get anything but static on them even hooked up to the amp. oh boy am i pissed right now...

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:30:53 PM »

i only had them hooked up for a minute...didn't hear any pops or anything that seemed out of place...i hope i didn't fuck them up! shitballs.

i unhooked them and am gonna let everything sit for a few minutes.

twoodruff · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:36:53 PM »

mine keeps saying code 11 protection.

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #7 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:42:15 PM »

trey what gear are you using exactly?

are you saying the sony should know not to pass a signal to the speakers?

mine is essentially right out of the box, fwiw.

twoodruff · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:51:41 PM »

Quote from: Simp-Dawg on December 06, 2005, 10:42:15 PM

trey what gear are you using exactly?

are you saying the sony should know not to pass a signal to the speakers?

mine is essentially right out of the box, fwiw.

I am using dynaudio audience 8 speakers, I got mine from the deal on here a few weeks ago, never used

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:53:10 PM »

i mean with the test you ran...and you have the 3000es also?

twoodruff · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:56:33 PM »

Quote from: Simp-Dawg on December 06, 2005, 10:53:10 PM

i mean with the test you ran...and you have the 3000es also?

i just turned sucker on after connecting speakers, dunno how this is a test, that is what I did

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2005, 10:59:36 PM »

oh. i thought you meant you hooked up a different pair of speakers than you have normally attached.

so why don't your speakers work?

Quote from: Trey Woodruff on December 06, 2005, 10:06:36 PM

dunno, i did it too, I can't even get anything to the speakers

pfife · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2005, 11:04:27 PM »

OK, I'm no expert on these kinds of things, but I don't think doing this can damage the speakers - the damage could occur to the amp. However, there was a thread a while back where people were saying that it was OK to plug speakers that were rated at 8 ohms into the 4ohm terminals... not sure if that means that the flip of that is true...

sorry bout your luck guys - I please let us know how it is resolved...

Kyle · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2005, 11:05:09 PM »

Quote from: Trey Woodruff on December 06, 2005, 10:36:53 PM

mine keeps saying code 11 protection.

A while back I read a thread on audioasylum (I think) about the 3000es - the early models did not have the plastic 'seal' on the back and many people had their unit lock up because a stray strand of speaker wire touched the unit and it shorted. Apparantly when this happened the unit locked up and said "code 11 protection" and had to be sent to Sony to be fixed.

Maybe the 4ohm speakers caused a similar situation...

From what I read it had to go to Sony to be fixed, but don't quote me on it.
Mine has to go to Sony to repair the hiss issue....

Nick's Picks · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2005, 07:42:29 AM »

I dont think there will be any damage to the speakers. they are not getting the 'umph" they need...so they are essentialy not getting enough juice.

as for the sony though...
I dont know about that either.

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2005, 10:22:19 AM »

but now the speakers don't work on the adcom amp either.

scervin · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2005, 12:10:34 PM »

nothing but static or music and static? from which drivers?

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2005, 12:12:33 PM »

tiny bit of music and mostly static in the left channel only. didn't get anything out of the right. i'm gonna get back into it tonight and see what i can figure out. i had a problem with a blown fuse on the amp recently but got that fixed.

so the sony unit needs 8 ohm rated speakers? what are some options?

pfife · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2005, 12:34:18 PM »

Did the speakers work before you hooked them up to the Sony?

As far as 8ohm speakers go, I think the vast majority of speakers are 8ohms, and 4ohm'rs are more rare...

Kyle · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2005, 03:11:10 PM »

Quote from: Bubba Columbia on December 07, 2005, 12:34:18 PM

Did the speakers work before you hooked them up to the Sony?

As far as 8ohm speakers go, I think the vast majority of speakers are 8ohms, and 4ohm'rs are more rare...

I have a set of B&W 601 (s1) and they are 8ohm...

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2005, 03:21:40 PM »

yeah the speakers worked before i hooked them up to the sony. now they won't work with either. the adcom *could* have problems though...

Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2005, 08:59:34 PM »

Quote from: cmc64 on December 06, 2005, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: Trey Woodruff on December 06, 2005, 10:36:53 PM
mine keeps saying code 11 protection.

A while back I read a thread on audioasylum (I think) about the 3000es - the early models did not have the plastic 'seal' on the back and many people had their unit lock up because a stray strand of speaker wire touched the unit and it shorted. Apparantly when this happened the unit locked up and said "code 11 protection" and had to be sent to Sony to be fixed.

Maybe the 4ohm speakers caused a similar situation...

From what I read it had to go to Sony to be fixed, but don't quote me on it.
Mine has to go to Sony to repair the hiss issue....

I can ditto that, my friend is a Sony dealer, they had to send a few of the first units they recieved back for that isolation problem, same exact thing. He said they got them back with a fix that looked like Sony just put some silicone behind them to resolve the problem. They stopped carrying the Sony ES in stock and push the Denon units more simply because they were tired of the return hassles.

jhirte · « **Reply #22 on:** December 08, 2005, 12:57:54 PM »

FWIW I'm running my 3000es with a 6ohm load - no probs thus far.

pfife · « **Reply #23 on:** December 08, 2005, 12:58:52 PM »

any updates Simp?

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #24 on:** December 08, 2005, 01:08:05 PM »

didn't have much time to play with it last night...but i turned it on and just get nothing out of the speakers. i'm gonna open the adcom back up and look at the fuses again. i have a feeling that's where the problem is but it just seems odd it would coincidentally go down at precisely the same time i decide to switch things around. i'm fairly positive i didn't do anything that would cause problems...

Nick's Picks · « **Reply #25 on:** December 08, 2005, 08:29:17 PM »

I drive 6ohm speakers as well...but im' not sure exactly how well.

I want CIA D-200s!!

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #26 on:** December 08, 2005, 10:58:46 PM »

ok...update.

it's the adcom that keeps blowing fuses, speakers are fine. but, the sony still doesn't like the 4 ohm b&w's, but works fine with some 8 ohm shitboxes. i can't figure out how to set the sony to go 4 ohm although it says it is rated for it on the back.

twoodruff · « **Reply #27 on:** December 08, 2005, 11:19:20 PM »

Quote from: Simp-Dawg on December 08, 2005, 10:58:46 PM

ok...update.

it's the adcom that keeps blowing fuses, speakers are fine. but, the sony still doesn't like the 4 ohm b&w's, but works fine with some 8 ohm shitboxes. i can't figure out how to set the sony to go 4 ohm although it says it is rated for it on the back.

it is rated for 4 ohm?

looking at the unit indicates impedance of 4-16 ohm

on the back bottom right it says that the back surrounds 4 ohm or higher, front A+B is 8 ohm or higher

sygdwm · « **Reply #28 on:** December 08, 2005, 11:22:17 PM »

Quote from: Trey Woodruff on December 08, 2005, 11:19:20 PM

Quote from: Simp-Dawg on December 08, 2005, 10:58:46 PM
ok...update.

it's the adcom that keeps blowing fuses, speakers are fine. but, the sony still doesn't like the 4 ohm b&w's, but works fine with some 8 ohm shitboxes. i can't figure out how to set the sony to go 4 ohm although it says it is rated for it on the back.

it is rated for 4 ohm?

apparently not, but it will take a 6ohm load. your DCM's are 6 ohm rated.

Nick's Picks · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2005, 07:30:49 AM »

Doug told me specificaly that it will not drive 4 ohm speakers.
no maggies!

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #30 on:** December 09, 2005, 11:08:35 AM »

ok, what are some recs for new speakers? conversely, i went and listened to the denon 3805 last night and liked it a bit more than the sony 7100es they had to compare it to...i might end up sending back the sony also.

twoodruff · « **Reply #31 on:** December 09, 2005, 11:52:09 AM »

vr-1s
B&W cdm7

BC · « **Reply #32 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:15:25 PM »

Quote from: Simp-Dawg on December 09, 2005, 11:08:35 AM

ok, what are some recs for new speakers? conversely, i went and listened to the denon 3805 last night and liked it a bit more than the sony 7100es they had to compare it to...i might end up sending back the sony also.

Paradigm (I love mine)

PSB

NHT

Infinity (I know, bad perception b/c they are so "mass-market" but I think there is some really solid speaker engineering going into the infinity speaker line, great performance for the cost.

Also, Triangles and silverlines are supposed to be very easy to drive.

dave w · « **Reply #33 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:37:05 PM »

Well if you love your speakers, and are willing to spend $450 (or find someone with the know how to make something similar), you can make your amp think its driving an 8 ohm load:
http://www.zeroimpedance.com/