Topic: WaveLab Won't Join Tracks At 2gb Split (pissing me off!)

[kcmule]

remember that that 2 gig limit is an NTFS file system limit, and it can be over ridden by keeping all the waves in .w64 format as opposed to .wav.

wavelab5 doesn't support .w64,  wavelab6 does.


the best way to join fiiles in wavelab for me is to

OPEN WAVELAB
FILE > OPEN>WAVE...

HIGHLIGHT THE 4 WAVES IN THE DIRECTORY OF YOUR CHOICE AND LOOK IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE DIALOG BOX..OPEN IN "AUDIO MONTAGE"..CHECK THAT BOX

the waves have a tiny gap between them but you can slide the waves that micro space together, by hand with the mouse..simple to do.

you then render a new wave out of montage with the four joined files.

I can't render the entire montage, becasue the result exceeds the 2gb limit.

the reason the second wave is " disapperaing" is beacuse of the NTFS file system 2 gig limit..ya cant write a 5 gig wave file on a NTFS file system....but again you can if you use the .w64 format...you would then do your tracking in wavelab still in w64...and then spilt the .w64 whole show file into managable .wav files with auto split...

What your missing is, I'm trying to save a single track (pieces from two different files)
which totals around 400mb, no where near a 2gb limit.  I am NOT trying to save the
entire show as one file, which would easily exceed the 2gb limit.

The process I described above worked fine for files "3.wav and 4.wav".  It just doesn't
want to work for file "1.wav and 2.wav".  WTF.

[shnflac]

What your missing is, I'm trying to save a single track (pieces from two different files)
which totals around 400mb, no where near a 2gb limit.

ok.

 in that case do what i mentioned BUT select (highlight) the area between the two waves you need and  hit render..

BUT when you do you want to check "time selection"...NOT "whole montage"..that should do it.

If this is a frequent conundrum (the 2 gig file limit), get wavelab6 (bout 300 bucks if you look around).  I've rendered 20 and 30 gig files in 24 96 when doing multi track work..having no size issue is a real plus to production speed.

shnflac@gmail for more detailed wavelab issues or questions..happy to help TS folks.

jamie

[kcmule]

in that case do what i mentioned BUT select (highlight) the area between the two waves you need and  hit render..

BUT when you do you want to check "time selection"...NOT "whole montage"..that should do it.

If this is a frequent conundrum (the 2 gig file limit), get wavelab6 (bout 300 bucks if you look around).  I've rendered 20 and 30 gig files in 24 96 when doing multi track work..having no size issue is a real plus to production speed.

shnflac@gmail for more detailed wavelab issues or questions..happy to help TS folks.

jamie

I'll try this when I get home this evening.  What I still don't understand is why
this has worked many times before and all of a sudden it doesn't.  That is just
plain silly.  I'll post back with my results.  Thanks for the help.

[kcmule]

That didn't work.  Created the montage, slid the tracks together.
Highlighted the track (clip) hit render, time selection, create specific
file, gave it a file name.  It goes through the motions like it is rendering
but no file is ever created.

I should be able to just cut/paste them sumbitches and be done.

[kcmule]

Something funky with these two tracks, not sure what.  I can cut/paste/save
parts of other files just fine.  Not sure what it is about this split, but it don't
want to work.  Makes is real tough to put out tapes when you can't join the
damn files!

I also tried inserting the second track after the first, changing the start and
end track markers (for this tune that is split) to "temporary" from "generic" and
then went with Autosplit > Temporary markers > bla bla bla (thinking I could
end up with 3 tracks and only need the second one) but wavelab wrote the
first track and stopped when it hit the "bad spot".  Guess I'm fucked.

Will try on a buddy's laptop this weekend for giggles and see what happens.
I just may start recording 24/48 so this is likely to never be a problem again.

Reinstalling wavelab didn't help either, FYI.

[prof_peabody]

Which version of wavelab are you using?

[kcmule]

Which version of wavelab are you using?

501a  I believe (I run XP)

[Brian Skalinder]

I think the comments about the 2GB issue aren't applicable.  As I understand it, he has 2 files, A and B.  File A is 1.8 GB.  File B is 0.5 GB.  Obviously, joining them together produces a file that's > 2 GB.  But he's taking only the last wee bit of File A (say, 10 MB worth of audio), copying it into a new, empty file, then taking the first wee bit of File B (say, another 10 MB), and appending it into the new file.  The new file, then, has a total of only 20 MB of data:  10MB from File A, 10 MB from File B.  The 2GB issue isn't in play in this scenario.

You said it worked before, but it doesn't work now.  Let's try to determine whether it's a software / configuration issue, or a file issue.  Try performing the same process with an old source that you know worked previously.  If the problem occurs again, using the old files that worked fine in the past, the problem likely is software / configuration related.  If it works correctly, as it did in the past, then the problem likely is file related (e.g. corruption of some kind to one or both of the source files with which you're working).  If the issue is file related, e.g. corruption, try one or all of the following:

• Copy/paste both pieces into another editor (CD-Wave, Audacity, etc.) and save.
• Copy/paste each piece individually into another editor.  Save each individually.  Then try to join in one or more editors.  (I know you said this introduced an artifact, but I think it's worth trying in another editor.)
• Open each complete source file (1.wav, 2.wav) in another editor, like CD-Wave.  Save it, or maybe Save As (or try both if one doesn't work), without changing the bit-depth or sample rate.  Then re-open in WaveLab and try again.

[kcmule]

I think the comments about the 2GB issue aren't applicable.  As I understand it, he has 2 files, A and B.  File A is 1.8 GB.  File B is 0.5 GB.  Obviously, joining them together produces a file that's > 2 GB.  But he's taking only the last wee bit of File A (say, 10 MB worth of audio), copying it into a new, empty file, then taking the first wee bit of File B (say, another 10 MB), and appending it into the new file.  The new file, then, has a total of only 20 MB of data:  10MB from File A, 10 MB from File B.  The 2GB issue isn't in play in this scenario.

Correct.  I believe this has been established.

You said it worked before, but it doesn't work now.  Let's try to determine whether it's a software / configuration issue, or a file issue.  Try performing the same process with an old source that you know worked previously.  If the problem occurs again, using the old files that worked fine in the past, the problem likely is software / configuration related.  If it works correctly, as it did in the past, then the problem likely is file related (e.g. corruption of some kind to one or both of the source files with which you're working).

I think it is a file issue.  I can save the first and second parts by themselves just fine.
It worked fine with the other two files from this show.  I can also save the first part
and a different part fine, as well as the second part and a different part.  If that makes
any sense to you.

If the issue is file related, e.g. corruption, try one or all of the following:

• Copy/paste both pieces into another editor (CD-Wave, Audacity, etc.) and save.
• Copy/paste each piece individually into another editor.  Save each individually.  Then try to join in one or more editors.  (I know you said this introduced an artifact, but I think it's worth trying in another editor.)
• Open each complete source file (1.wav, 2.wav) in another editor, like CD-Wave.  Save it, or maybe Save As (or try both if one doesn't work), without changing the bit-depth or sample rate.  Then re-open in WaveLab and try again.

I'll try some other programs and report back.

[Brian Skalinder]

Correct.  I believe this has been established.

Yeah, sorry about that - I misread the timeline of responses and thought people were still, today, pointing to the 2GB issue.

I think it is a file issue.  I can save the first and second parts by themselves just fine.
It worked fine with the other two files from this show.  I can also save the first part
and a different part fine, as well as the second part and a different part.  If that makes
any sense to you.

To help me visualize, here's a representation of 2 files, each split into sections. 

[------------------FILE 1-----------------][------------FILE 2-----]
|  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |  e  |  f  |  g  ||  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |

So if I understand your comments above correctly, you cannot combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section a, but you can combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section b-d, or File 2 / section a + File 1 section a-f?

[kcmule]

To help me visualize, here's a representation of 2 files, each split into sections. 

[------------------FILE 1-----------------][------------FILE 2-----]
|  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |  e  |  f  |  g  ||  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |

So if I understand your comments above correctly, you cannot combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section a, but you can combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section b-d, or File 2 / section a + File 1 section a-f?

Glad you were able to follow along.  That is exactly correct.

[Brian Skalinder]

Glad you were able to follow along.  That is exactly correct.

Boy, that's a weird one, then.  Good luck!

[kcmule]

FWIW,  I was able to save each piece of the way by itself then had a buddy
use Sequoia to join them into one track with no issues.

Still like to know why this was an issue in the first place, but at least I can
finish this show!

[ghellquist]

Yep. Sequioa / Samplitude ( same program, some extra features in Seq ) does this and a lot of other things.

G.