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Gear / Technical Help => Post-Processing, Computer / Streaming / Internet Devices & Related Activity => Topic started by: ArchivalAudio on May 14, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
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Hey (this is lengthy)
So for past few months I have been using a Hawking HAWNU2 http://www.hawkingtech.com/support/details.php?CatID=32&FamID=60&ProdID=409#Images (http://www.hawkingtech.com/support/details.php?CatID=32&FamID=60&ProdID=409#Images)
in conjunction with my Apple Aiprport Extreme : http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html)
the Hawking USB antenna is plugged into my June 2010 21" iMac
I am running in 2.4ghz n network as the hawking only supports 2.4 n and not 5ghz n also as 2.4 g penetrates surfaces better- I thought this was fine.
however I am using this to get signal from my house to my detached garage (man cave) which is about 60- 70' behind our house
I have had a good line of site from the antenna placed in a window - aiming it at the place in the house (right behind the wall- in a closet) where the Airport sits.
I have been able to run bit torrents as well as stream movies on netflix however recently in the past few weeks- I have had multiple repeated dropouts time outs and generally very slow connections
where I need to restart all the devices
including our netgear (charter provided) Cable modem/wireless router (Netgear CG814WG) sometimes even my iMac and force quitting firefox
could this be due to now there are leaves on the trees between the house and garage?
the weird thing is that often when I can not load a new web page in Firefox or run a speed test
Transmission is still connected and running.
I am contemplating - ONCE AGAIN- running Ethernet CAT 6 with surge suppressors out to the garage - buried in a conduit pipe- sort of my last resort but then at least I can eliminate the hawking antenna and run 5ghz
also contemplating getting rid of the old netgear modem/router and getting one of the newer DOCSIS 2.0 or even a DOCSIS 3.0 modem
any ideas or suggestion
My wife and I enjoy streaming netflix out in my media room (the garage)
we have no cable - only internet via charter the crappy old net gear is "rented" at $9.99 month and I figure I can get a new modem and then bump our internet speed package to the next faster level for the same price we pay for both now, which my help.
http://www.charter.com/internet (http://www.charter.com/internet) we now have "express" but could move to "plus"
any way
I am frustrated as is my wife when we sit down to watch an episode of That 70's Show - or Weeds or Scrubs- etc... and it will start then stop and need to reload for sometime as many as 10 minutes... grrr
worked just fine a few months ago...
thanx
--Ian
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So here are my results since 7/31/2010 on Speedtest . net
you will notice that my spped slowed signaifantly sicne after April 30th 2011
TEST_DATE TIME_ZONE DOWNLOAd UPLOAD LATENCY SERVER DISTANCE
2010-07-31 12:49 AM PDT 10.99 1.04 20 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-08-15 11:40 AM PDT 10.62 1.00 19 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-03 8:11 AM PST 6.55 1.02 50 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-04 10:20 PM PST 6.26 1.02 57 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-04 10:21 PM PST 11.19 1.04 36 Roseburg, OR 50
2010-12-04 10:22 PM PST 10.55 0.97 29 Coos Bay, OR 100
2010-12-06 12:10 AM PST 6.40 0.35 411 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-06 12:11 AM PST 7.57 0.33 196 Roseburg, OR 50
2010-12-07 9:39 AM PST 9.88 0.59 36 Roseburg, OR 50
2010-12-07 9:40 AM PST 2.24 0.63 51 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-10 11:08 PM PST 5.25 0.79 358 Roseburg, OR 50
2010-12-10 11:10 PM PST 5.89 0.80 49 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-15 1:11 AM PST 4.39 0.48 120 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-15 10:52 AM PST 2.62 1.03 46 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-15 10:53 AM PST 3.42 0.97 36 Roseburg, OR 50
2010-12-26 9:40 PM PST 3.58 0.29 720 Grants Pass, OR 50
2010-12-26 10:02 PM PST 4.37 0.66 34 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-01-09 3:35 PM PST 6.68 0.87 44 Medford, OR 0
2011-01-09 3:36 PM PST 4.44 0.98 37 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-01-09 3:42 PM PST 8.36 1.05 42 Grants Pass, OR 50
2011-01-10 4:12 PM PST 6.33 1.06 47 Grants Pass, OR 50
2011-01-10 4:13 PM PST 9.53 1.05 42 Medford, OR 0
2011-01-10 4:15 PM PST 6.00 0.94 30 Coos Bay, OR 100
2011-01-17 1:47 AM PST 6.52 0.97 36 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-01-30 10:37 PM PST 8.92 1.05 28 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-02-20 5:56 PM PST 4.99 1.05 41 Grants Pass, OR 50
2011-02-20 5:58 PM PST 4.85 1.05 39 Medford, OR 0
2011-02-20 5:59 PM PST 10.18 1.05 32 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-03-21 1:27 AM PDT 2.97 0.90 48 Medford, OR 0
2011-03-21 1:29 AM PDT 5.53 0.95 34 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-04-05 12:37 AM PDT 8.44 0.87 41 Grants Pass, OR 50
2011-04-30 10:41 PM PDT 6.40 0.99 27 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-04-30 10:44 PM PDT 9.05 0.89 28 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-05-06 12:49 AM PDT 0.07 1.06 33 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-05-06 11:36 AM PDT 0.34 1.04 88 Klamath Falls, OR 50
2011-05-14 4:17 PM PDT 0.21 0.97 30 Klamath Falls, OR 50
2011-05-14 4:36 PM PDT 0.11 0.96 41 Medford, OR 0
2011-05-14 5:31 PM PDT 2.67 0.70 44 Medford, OR 0
2011-05-14 8:35 PM PDT 0.24 1.05 29 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-05-14 8:38 PM PDT 0.68 1.05 36 Klamath Falls, OR 50
2011-05-15 1:55 AM PDT 0.36 1.03 30 Klamath Falls, OR 50
2011-05-15 1:59 AM PDT 0.43 1.05 30 Klamath Falls, OR 50
2011-05-15 2:00 AM PDT 0.44 1.05 27 Roseburg, OR 50
2011-05-15 2:03 AM PDT 0.78 1.03 69 Corvallis, OR 150
2011-05-15 2:04 AM PDT 0.60 0.96 72 Corvallis, OR 150
2011-05-15 10:30 AM PDT 1.03 0.61 41 Medford, OR 0
you'll see that on 4/30 in green my speeds were not bad, but on 5/6 they slowed to a crawl....
really could the apple tree leaves be causing this?
or is some other crazy charter (aka ComCrap) thing?
already replaced all of our coax in the house with quad shielded RG6 with gold end connectors.
any thing else I can do?
thanx
--Ian
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call your provider
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I bet they are imposing some kind of speed limit on you b/c of the high levels of bittorrent activity. But that's just a guess. It doesn't sound like it's your gear to me. IME when something is wrong with the Airport products, they just die completely :P
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thanx
we have called charter and they did come out 2x once with a charter guy and once with a contracted "decibels" guy, both measured line noise- the contractor did a better job, which is why I replaced my house coax - we had some old style bad cable not meant for broadband with a splitter even on it. we were getting multiple loss of signal - and we would need to power cycle the netgear modem/router around December- and this was multiple times in a day
now from outside to inside is only one quad core cable as noted above.
the thing I wonder about my set up is that: the crappy net gear modem/ router combo - my wife uses as her network in the house, and the speeds in the house have always been significantly faster, and remain so even now.
I can call Charter once again, however I doubt they will be of any help
--Ian
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your upload speeds seem to be the same, but your download speed looks capped
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ok well
so I just did a speakeasy speed test out here in the garage I got like a 1.67 DL as compared to inside the house on my wife's macbook 5.67 dl
it would seem like I was capped buy my wife's speeds are consistent with what I used to get before the leaves on the apple and Japanese maple filled in so much...
I understood that 2.4ghz is better at penetrating surfaces, but can the leaves be causing reflections? and therefore interference?
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Best to just go ahead and run the CAT6 cable out to the garage. Wired connection would be more reliable for you all the way around.
Good Luck!
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Best to just go ahead and run the CAT6 cable out to the garage. Wired connection would be more reliable for you all the way around.
Good Luck!
That was my original thought - however I dreaded digging a ditch under concrete sidewalks form the previous owner. Also besides a surge suppressor (lightning arrester) - can anyone recommend a inexpensive one for CAT6? - what else would I need to be careful of?
I would still end up using my airport extreme in the garage- as I have my ports forwarded and like the ability to do so and have a general wireless set up.
thanx
--Ian
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Here is one from Tripp Lite Model DNET1, this link is to Amazon but my local Computer & Electronic Parts Store stocked them. (http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-DNET1-Suppressor-Terminals/dp/B0000510HR)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31DDNMHJG3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Another one by APC Model PNET1GB (http://www.amazon.com/APC-PNET1GB-ProtectNet-Standalone-Protector/dp/B000BKUSS8/ref=pd_sim_e_1)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21i8NuiqS0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Here is one from Tripp Lite Model DNET1, this link is to Amazon but my local Computer & Electronic Parts Store stocked them. (http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-DNET1-Suppressor-Terminals/dp/B0000510HR)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31DDNMHJG3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Another one by APC Model PNET1GB (http://www.amazon.com/APC-PNET1GB-ProtectNet-Standalone-Protector/dp/B000BKUSS8/ref=pd_sim_e_1)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21i8NuiqS0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
yep thanx - I think I ran across at least the APC one
this should help
is there any value or should I have one of these on each end- at each building?
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APC's PNET1GB Product Documentation Can Be Found Here... (http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNET1GB&tab=documentation)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21i8NuiqS0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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I have been able to run bit torrents as well as stream movies on netflix however recently in the past few weeks- I have had multiple repeated dropouts time outs and generally very slow connections
where I need to restart all the devices
including our netgear (charter provided) Cable modem/wireless router (Netgear CG814WG) sometimes even my iMac and force quitting firefox
--Ian
can you wife, on her macbook inside, still connect and browse the internet inside in the cases where a reboot is needed on your imac?
do you have the same wireless setup[ssid, key, etc] on each(netgear, airport) and one act as dhcp, the other relay? or are both independent wireless hotspots/lans?
this is very interesting to me, as I have an airport also, with an old dsl modem...and i have the same problems, usually(90%) when i am running netflix... i have just dealt with it. what is very puzzling is, i have tried both wireless and wired connection to the airport, with same results. AT&T says the connection is fine, and the modem(how they know i have know clue) is working properly...which leaves only the airport extreme as the problem. I have 3x windows 7 comps[1 wired, 2 wireless], 1 macbook pro, android tab and ipad....its not related to any device...its the connection to the internet that dies....im still connected ot the airport fine(strong signal via wireless), but i have to reboot BOTH the aiport AND the modem to get it working again.
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I have been able to run bit torrents as well as stream movies on netflix however recently in the past few weeks- I have had multiple repeated dropouts time outs and generally very slow connections
where I need to restart all the devices
including our netgear (charter provided) Cable modem/wireless router (Netgear CG814WG) sometimes even my iMac and force quitting firefox
--Ian
can you wife, on her macbook inside, still connect and browse the internet inside in the cases where a reboot is needed on your imac?
do you have the same wireless setup[ssid, key, etc] on each(netgear, airport) and one act as dhcp, the other relay? or are both independent wireless hotspots/lans?
this is very interesting to me, as I have an airport also, with an old dsl modem...and i have the same problems, usually(90%) when i am running netflix... i have just dealt with it. what is very puzzling is, i have tried both wireless and wired connection to the airport, with same results. AT&T says the connection is fine, and the modem(how they know i have know clue) is working properly...which leaves only the airport extreme as the problem. I have 3x windows 7 comps[1 wired, 2 wireless], 1 macbook pro, android tab and ipad....its not related to any device...its the connection to the internet that dies....im still connected ot the airport fine(strong signal via wireless), but i have to reboot BOTH the aiport AND the modem to get it working again.
Ok so I think I understand your questions but may be over my head...
so here goes with what I can answer:I think we have different SSID's but I'm not sure- they are separate networks with different MAC addresses- obviously.
So as an example We have different IPV4 addresses mine is 192.168.0.12 and wife's is 192.168.0.10
the router number is th esame on both 192.168.0.1 but my airport uses the 10.0.1.2 and 10.0.1.1 scheme
as far as if my wife's macbook can connect when I restart my computer of Firefox, I believe so, but have not tried that. I do know that I usually just start at the shouce, by restaring (powercycling) the Netgear modem/wireless router, by unplugging it for a few minutes. - well not exactly often I quit the hawking HAWNU2 wireless utility, and restart that - sometimes that fixes my lazy connection issue- which may be I can not connect via safari or firefox to the internet, however I may still be connected uploading bitotrrents via my client Transmission.
sometimes I just change the DHCP lease time from say 5 days to 4 days or vice versa, on the Airport and then update (restart) the Airport
if the two back end of the chain don't work then I go back to restarting the netgear device.
however I think my speeds are issues are really due to leaves on the trees coming in full thus causing reflections and interference at leat that's my hypothesis.
I did talk to a buddy that has a lightning quick fiber optic connection and he mentioned that netflix has issues of needing to reload often - he feels its on their end server or streaming issues or the like.
don't know if that helps you or I answered your questions or not
but there you go
--Ian
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APC's PNET1GB Product Documentation Can Be Found Here... (http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNET1GB&tab=documentation)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21i8NuiqS0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Thanx DigiGal
You Rock!
I'm leaning toward this one- may be two for safety measures - one at each end of the house/garage.
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I have been able to run bit torrents as well as stream movies on netflix however recently in the past few weeks- I have had multiple repeated dropouts time outs and generally very slow connections
where I need to restart all the devices
including our netgear (charter provided) Cable modem/wireless router (Netgear CG814WG) sometimes even my iMac and force quitting firefox
--Ian
can you wife, on her macbook inside, still connect and browse the internet inside in the cases where a reboot is needed on your imac?
do you have the same wireless setup[ssid, key, etc] on each(netgear, airport) and one act as dhcp, the other relay? or are both independent wireless hotspots/lans?
this is very interesting to me, as I have an airport also, with an old dsl modem...and i have the same problems, usually(90%) when i am running netflix... i have just dealt with it. what is very puzzling is, i have tried both wireless and wired connection to the airport, with same results. AT&T says the connection is fine, and the modem(how they know i have know clue) is working properly...which leaves only the airport extreme as the problem. I have 3x windows 7 comps[1 wired, 2 wireless], 1 macbook pro, android tab and ipad....its not related to any device...its the connection to the internet that dies....im still connected ot the airport fine(strong signal via wireless), but i have to reboot BOTH the aiport AND the modem to get it working again.
Ok so I think I understand your questions but may be over my head...
so here goes with what I can answer:I think we have different SSID's but I'm not sure- they are separate networks with different MAC addresses- obviously.
So as an example We have different IPV4 addresses mine is 192.168.0.12 and wife's is 192.168.0.10
the router number is th esame on both 192.168.0.1 but my airport uses the 10.0.1.2 and 10.0.1.1 scheme
as far as if my wife's macbook can connect when I restart my computer of Firefox, I believe so, but have not tried that. I do know that I usually just start at the shouce, by restaring (powercycling) the Netgear modem/wireless router, by unplugging it for a few minutes. - well not exactly often I quit the hawking HAWNU2 wireless utility, and restart that - sometimes that fixes my lazy connection issue- which may be I can not connect via safari or firefox to the internet, however I may still be connected uploading bitotrrents via my client Transmission.
sometimes I just change the DHCP lease time from say 5 days to 4 days or vice versa, on the Airport and then update (restart) the Airport
if the two back end of the chain don't work then I go back to restarting the netgear device.
however I think my speeds are issues are really due to leaves on the trees coming in full thus causing reflections and interference at leat that's my hypothesis.
I did talk to a buddy that has a lightning quick fiber optic connection and he mentioned that netflix has issues of needing to reload often - he feels its on their end server or streaming issues or the like.
don't know if that helps you or I answered your questions or not
but there you go
--Ian
ok..i think i got a better picture, and I don't think it matches my setup.
if i follow correctly, you are using your netgear for dhcp, and have the airport in bridge mode.
I use my airport for dhcp(actually my only hotspot)
the ssid is the Name of your wireless hotspot, not the ip.
that being said...i am wondering about part of your setup (and it could just be my ignorance of using aiport as bridge), but you say the iMac in the garage has a 192. ip address, but the airport has a 10.xx. I am wondering if your iMac is connecting to the netgear instead of the Airport. This could be misunderstanding, if your airport DHCP is turned off(in which case the 10.xx is just a leftover /artifact you are seeing in configuration, and not actually being used)
might be something to check on tho...without seeing your airport settings...i can't really say.
one last thought. if you are using your netgear, and its a relic, for DHCP, you might think about using it JUST as a modem, and letting the airport handle all the nat/lan work instead of just being a hotspot.
having 2 different wireless hotspots complicates things. if you are set on using two (for better/more coverage area) one dhcp should be turned off, and the cable connecting them should run from any port NOT labeled WAN into a similar port on the other. Then, set both SSID(wireless name), key, channel, etc exactly the same on both wireless devices(hotspots)
you may already be setup correctly, i don't know..but if not, it would def help.
honestly, unless the leaves are REALLY heavy, it should cause much of a problem. there will be some speed loss, but shouldn't be that great. the airport(mine) can go from one end of my house to the other (through at least 5 walls with NO direct line of site) and still give a 2bar signal on my macbook. i do lose some speed as opposed to sitting in same room, but not that bad. My connection issues (keeping the connection to the outside internet) is my issue. And that, is what i was seeing as 1 aspect of your issue. I do think your connection and speed issues are most likely unrelated, esp since the connection gets fubard, but transmission still running.
just as a follow up, have you tried using uTorrent instead of transmission just to see if that changes it at all? maybe its a client problem? have you ensured all the correct ports are fwd correctly (possibly on both hotspots)?
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I have been able to run bit torrents as well as stream movies on netflix however recently in the past few weeks- I have had multiple repeated dropouts time outs and generally very slow connections
where I need to restart all the devices
including our netgear (charter provided) Cable modem/wireless router (Netgear CG814WG) sometimes even my iMac and force quitting firefox
--Ian
can you wife, on her macbook inside, still connect and browse the internet inside in the cases where a reboot is needed on your imac?
do you have the same wireless setup[ssid, key, etc] on each(netgear, airport) and one act as dhcp, the other relay? or are both independent wireless hotspots/lans?
this is very interesting to me, as I have an airport also, with an old dsl modem...and i have the same problems, usually(90%) when i am running netflix... i have just dealt with it. what is very puzzling is, i have tried both wireless and wired connection to the airport, with same results. AT&T says the connection is fine, and the modem(how they know i have know clue) is working properly...which leaves only the airport extreme as the problem. I have 3x windows 7 comps[1 wired, 2 wireless], 1 macbook pro, android tab and ipad....its not related to any device...its the connection to the internet that dies....im still connected ot the airport fine(strong signal via wireless), but i have to reboot BOTH the aiport AND the modem to get it working again.
Ok so I think I understand your questions but may be over my head...
so here goes with what I can answer:I think we have different SSID's but I'm not sure- they are separate networks with different MAC addresses- obviously.
So as an example We have different IPV4 addresses mine is 192.168.0.12 and wife's is 192.168.0.10
the router number is th esame on both 192.168.0.1 but my airport uses the 10.0.1.2 and 10.0.1.1 scheme
as far as if my wife's macbook can connect when I restart my computer of Firefox, I believe so, but have not tried that. I do know that I usually just start at the shouce, by restaring (powercycling) the Netgear modem/wireless router, by unplugging it for a few minutes. - well not exactly often I quit the hawking HAWNU2 wireless utility, and restart that - sometimes that fixes my lazy connection issue- which may be I can not connect via safari or firefox to the internet, however I may still be connected uploading bitotrrents via my client Transmission.
sometimes I just change the DHCP lease time from say 5 days to 4 days or vice versa, on the Airport and then update (restart) the Airport
if the two back end of the chain don't work then I go back to restarting the netgear device.
however I think my speeds are issues are really due to leaves on the trees coming in full thus causing reflections and interference at leat that's my hypothesis.
I did talk to a buddy that has a lightning quick fiber optic connection and he mentioned that netflix has issues of needing to reload often - he feels its on their end server or streaming issues or the like.
don't know if that helps you or I answered your questions or not
but there you go
--Ian
ok..i think i got a better picture, and I don't think it matches my setup.
if i follow correctly, you are using your netgear for dhcp, and have the airport in bridge mode.
I use my airport for dhcp(actually my only hotspot)
the ssid is the Name of your wireless hotspot, not the ip.
that being said...i am wondering about part of your setup (and it could just be my ignorance of using aiport as bridge), but you say the iMac in the garage has a 192. ip address, but the airport has a 10.xx. I am wondering if your iMac is connecting to the netgear instead of the Airport. This could be misunderstanding, if your airport DHCP is turned off(in which case the 10.xx is just a leftover /artifact you are seeing in configuration, and not actually being used)
might be something to check on tho...without seeing your airport settings...i can't really say.
one last thought. if you are using your netgear, and its a relic, for DHCP, you might think about using it JUST as a modem, and letting the airport handle all the nat/lan work instead of just being a hotspot.
having 2 different wireless hotspots complicates things. if you are set on using two (for better/more coverage area) one dhcp should be turned off, and the cable connecting them should run from any port NOT labeled WAN into a similar port on the other. Then, set both SSID(wireless name), key, channel, etc exactly the same on both wireless devices(hotspots)
you may already be setup correctly, i don't know..but if not, it would def help.
honestly, unless the leaves are REALLY heavy, it should cause much of a problem. there will be some speed loss, but shouldn't be that great. the airport(mine) can go from one end of my house to the other (through at least 5 walls with NO direct line of site) and still give a 2bar signal on my macbook. i do lose some speed as opposed to sitting in same room, but not that bad. My connection issues (keeping the connection to the outside internet) is my issue. And that, is what i was seeing as 1 aspect of your issue. I do think your connection and speed issues are most likely unrelated, esp since the connection gets fubard, but transmission still running.
just as a follow up, have you tried using uTorrent instead of transmission just to see if that changes it at all? maybe its a client problem? have you ensured all the correct ports are fwd correctly (possibly on both hotspots)?
Ok thank you so much BJ
here is some of the info , I do not have my Airport set in Bridge mode
I have not tried utorrent-
I do use DCHP in my Airport
here are some settings pics I share with anopthe rto help set up and forward ports:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/1awesomeness-summary.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/2basestation.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/3wireless.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/4internet.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/5TCPIP.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/6DCHP.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/6DCHP.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/7NAT.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/8SNMP.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/8SNMP.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/10Portmap-ports.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/10aIPV6.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/10bsys-prefs-network.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/10cnetworkadvanced.jpg)
mostly that's how I still have it set up
I am thinking about pruning a "tunnel" this weekend from my Hawking antenna site to the house and see if that helps
but overall I do think I am gonna trench an Euithernet CAT6 cable from the house to the garage - that way I can bypass the hawking ( and sell it) and run in 5GHZ so I can get direct faster speed,
jut not looking forward to trenching under at lease 2 or 3 sidewalks....
--Ian
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weird I had issues with the airport it some how rest to default - initial settigns while power cycling
I re did it all
and now at least that this moment am no tusing th ehawking antenna (unplugged it) and got this
speed test
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1315249478.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
so maybe there was an issues with the airport?
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I'm a little confused by something.
Screenshot 5 shows TCP/IP address of 192.168.0.12 but the next screenshot has the DHCP on 10.0.1.2 and then the second to last picture shows 10.0.1.2.
is this because you're using one router to rebroadcast the signal for the internet to the garage?
What are you inital settings?
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I'm a little confused by something.
Screenshot 5 shows TCP/IP address of 192.168.0.12 but the next screenshot has the DHCP on 10.0.1.2 and then the second to last picture shows 10.0.1.2.
is this because you're using one router to rebroadcast the signal for the internet to the garage?
What are you inital settings?
192.168.0.12 is the Airport - connection to the Netgear router, via Ethernet WAN
10.0.1.2 is the scheme I use on the Airport to connect via DCHP wirelessly
not sure I totally understand it either- it's just how it works and I can forward my ports on the Aiport
what do you mean by initial settings?
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Actually, that's what you said, weird I had issues with the airport it some how rest to default - initial settigns while power cycling.
So you have
---ethernet----cable modem-----netgear router-----airport----computers.
Or is the netgear really a cable modem?
It looks like you have a really complicated setup which is causing the bad internet connection. In all honesty, I would disable DHCP and setup static IPs assigned from the router to the machines and have it use those IPs.
I have two routers: one connected to the cable modem and the other connected to a port on the router to allow wireless access. One of the routers has an IP phone plugged into it and the wireless devices connect to it and for the other router, its connected to the switch with all the other devices. The iphone can retain a good signal well outside the house and the router it connects to is only b and g speeds at 2.4 ghz.
I do know the wii that we use to watch netflix on NEEDS a line of sight to connect to the internet (much less watch netflix) so we have it hidden away and it retains fast loading times. What do you use to watch netflix in the garage?
I'm linking the following articles for educational purposes only as I doubt the airport support ddwrt:
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Access_Point
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So here si the deal (at least in my mind)
we have Charter (aka Comcast)
we have this netgear cable modem that is also a wireless router (rented) supplied from Charter.
one of the 4 Ethernet outs goes from the Wireless section the router portion of the netgear
to my Airport
which now in 2.4 ghz n I seem to be getting ok speeds Its just by using iStumbler I can see my signal strength is only at about 19% though I can see the 5ghz network too - maybe I'll try to connect to that?
I have not had luck in the past
this all occurred today after laving horrid slow connections and some how after power cycling the Airport it reset to default setting with out a name and no security .
so I go like this
NetGear Cable Modem/Wireless --> Ethernet --> Airport (at 2.4Ghz n) in house --> iMac (in garage)
the netgear router portion only gets b/g speeds - as does my old airport (spaceship style) not in use
does that help?
EDIT:
nope now I could not connect w/o plugging in my Hawking antenna
and I could NOT find an airport device using airport alone and the Airport Utility
until I replugged in the Hawking USB antenna
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ok so over night while tryoing to DL a BT of last nights Phish show
every thing disconnected
this morning I could not connect with only the Hawking on (and Airport off- this is how it should be done) could not even find the Airport via the Airport Utility
so after quitting both programs (airport utility & Hawking utility) and trying to reconnect with just the hawking - no go = I unplugged the USB from the hawking
then needed to turn apple airport on to connect to either
in the attached jpg
you'll see both connected at very slow rates the top connection with the better signal is the hawking and the erratic signal is just the airport connection.
the good news is that I have some Ethernet cable and surge protectors on the way and will run a trial or that with the airport in the garage, before trenching the yard .
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Really odd situation all the way around and it seems to be really hard troubleshooting. When other computers are connected directly to the modem, do they maintain decent speeds? I doubt the internet speeds have any relation to the OS but have you tried any other oS like windows or mac?
When the ethernet cable comes in I would advise testing from the modem to the garage and from airport to the garage to see if there is any difference in speeds. Do you have a different modem you can try out in the equasion? Have you contacted the ISP?
i know you just want to maintain great speeds in the garage and I would be really frustrated with all of this too. Good job on all the troubleshooting you've done.
edit: just out of curiosity, are you able to see any other wireless networks in your area? In my area I see ten different ones and if they were not all locked, I'm pretty sure I would be able to connect to them without any problem.
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AA
I still think some of the problem is coming from going through NAT 2x...
the first is on your netgear...it is giving out an IP and doing NAT in the 192.168 range.
next, your airport is giving out its own IP and doing NAT again in the 10. range.
if you could somehow turn off DHCP on the airport, and make sure that the ethernet cable is plugged into a LAN port on the airport from a LAN on the netgear
you can still assign a static ip on the comp in the garage, its just going to need a 192 ip address. All of you BT configuration will need to be on the netgear also for that static ip. But, you can just test speeds first before configuring bt on the netgear, just to see if setting up as a relay to the netgear works.
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I think the reason it has a 192.168.x.x and then a 10.x address is because its not setup in a access point manner and the 10.x router knows it can't be on the same subnet. Technically the static IP would need to be assigned at the router and passed to the computer.
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so yes I am Double NAT'ed however using http://www.canyouseeme.org/ (http://www.canyouseeme.org/) and the port check tool in Transmission both show my ports as open. This never has affected my speeds while the computer and Airport were both in the house.
I could not before figure out the static ip and bridge mode
all of the online instructions show using DCHP to configure a Static IP on Apples Airport Extreme, and there is not much new info as it it mostly on older versions and old OSX versions as well.
the plan in the near furure is to get a new modem - I'm thinking a DOCSIS 2.0 or may be a 3.0, that would be compatible with charter . nets system.
right not the netgear modem/wireless router is the only way we can connect to the RG6 coax.
here are a whole slew of links that have helped me get my stuff set up:
Double NAT:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1208 (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1208)
http://support.iprimus.com.au/index.php?Itemid=214&id=517&option=com_content&task=view (http://support.iprimus.com.au/index.php?Itemid=214&id=517&option=com_content&task=view)
Forward ports:
https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8888 (https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8888)
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=124166 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=124166)
http://portforward.com/networking/static-Mac10.4.htm (http://portforward.com/networking/static-Mac10.4.htm)
http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-port-forwarding-on-a-airport-extreme-time-capsule/ (http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-port-forwarding-on-a-airport-extreme-time-capsule/)
http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_portfwd.html (http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_portfwd.html)
Static IP:
http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_staticip.html (http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_staticip.html) find IP: http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_externalip.html (http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_externalip.html)
this one is interesting- I'll need to revist, as it deals with connection drops in Snow Leopard OSX 10.6
http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/01/how-i-fixed-my-dropping-wireless-airport-connection-problem-in-snow-leopard/ (http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/01/how-i-fixed-my-dropping-wireless-airport-connection-problem-in-snow-leopard/)
^^^^ that's more than you need to read
but they have helped me to get my ports open and forwarded and Static IP - and all that.
--Ian
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so yes I am Double NAT'ed however using http://www.canyouseeme.org/ (http://www.canyouseeme.org/) and the port check tool in Transmission both show my ports as open. This never has affected my speeds while the computer and Airport were both in the house.
I could not before figure out the static ip and bridge mode
all of the online instructions show using DCHP to configure a Static IP on Apples Airport Extreme, and there is not much new info as it it mostly on older versions and old OSX versions as well.
the plan in the near furure is to get a new modem - I'm thinking a DOCSIS 2.0 or may be a 3.0, that would be compatible with charter . nets system.
right not the netgear modem/wireless router is the only way we can connect to the RG6 coax.
here are a whole slew of links that have helped me get my stuff set up:
Double NAT:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1208 (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1208)
http://support.iprimus.com.au/index.php?Itemid=214&id=517&option=com_content&task=view (http://support.iprimus.com.au/index.php?Itemid=214&id=517&option=com_content&task=view)
Forward ports:
https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8888 (https://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8888)
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=124166 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=124166)
http://portforward.com/networking/static-Mac10.4.htm (http://portforward.com/networking/static-Mac10.4.htm)
http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-port-forwarding-on-a-airport-extreme-time-capsule/ (http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-port-forwarding-on-a-airport-extreme-time-capsule/)
http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_portfwd.html (http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_portfwd.html)
Static IP:
http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_staticip.html (http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_staticip.html) find IP: http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_externalip.html (http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_port_fwd_externalip.html)
this one is interesting- I'll need to revist, as it deals with connection drops in Snow Leopard OSX 10.6
http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/01/how-i-fixed-my-dropping-wireless-airport-connection-problem-in-snow-leopard/ (http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/01/how-i-fixed-my-dropping-wireless-airport-connection-problem-in-snow-leopard/)
^^^^ that's more than you need to read
but they have helped me to get my ports open and forwarded and Static IP - and all that.
--Ian
ian...i understand the double NAT..and thats why i brought it up. In the first link for double NAT you sent, it recommends to set your airport to bridge mode, but in your screen shots, its not set that way. I was hoping there was a way to go even further to simplify your network, and turn ffn DHCP on the airport...but, I am not sure how to do it... Some things on the interwebs say its possible, some say it's not...others say when its in bridge mode, that DHCP isn't working (this would be best in your situation I think)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/ArchivalAudio/Awesomeness%20Airport%20settings/4internet.jpg)
the last option on this page has DHCP and NAT turned on.
i want to reiterate...my thinking is not aligned to your speed problems...i can't begin to think about what is cuasing those problems..they may or may not be related to the connection problems. I do believe, however that the double NAT is a problem. Even the links you sent seem to say that, and recommend to set one of the two translaters(routers) to bridge mode(turn off dhcp and NAT)
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good advice BJ!
I also don't know about the airport but double NAT, unless it is necessary, is never a good idea. I also doubt its related to the speeds but it sure would be a lot cleaner if all the routers, computers, and other wireless devices were on the same subnet using the same router IP. Perhaps mac forums can help with the specifics on this router.
As far as speeds, can you describe the area and explain where the router is and what's around it? Once I had my linksys IP phone near the router and the wii wouldn't connect wirelessly so I just moved the phone and it connected without issues. I just remember reading that trees and leaves are interfering with the line of sight but what about in the garage, is the insulation open or is it covered? Know if it uses metal studs or wooden ones? Are any devices near things like radios, phones, power supplies, refrigerators, air conditioners, etc.
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good advice BJ!
I also don't know about the airport but double NAT, unless it is necessary, is never a good idea. I also doubt its related to the speeds but it sure would be a lot cleaner if all the routers, computers, and other wireless devices were on the same subnet using the same router IP. Perhaps mac forums can help with the specifics on this router.
As far as speeds, can you describe the area and explain where the router is and what's around it? Once I had my linksys IP phone near the router and the wii wouldn't connect wirelessly so I just moved the phone and it connected without issues. I just remember reading that trees and leaves are interfering with the line of sight but what about in the garage, is the insulation open or is it covered? Know if it uses metal studs or wooden ones? Are any devices near things like radios, phones, power supplies, refrigerators, air conditioners, etc.
thanx to both of the past 2 replies:
I understand that Charter uses an dynamic ip, but may be I could run in bridge modes - peviously I could not figure out how to have a static IP or forward ports. I'll look into it again.
As far as line of sight - there are trees in the way and the speed issues seem to have started once the leaves on the apple came on full.
the Hawking antenna is aimed out the garage window mounted about 3" in front of the glass and it is aimed at the spot on the house where the Aiprot is - directly behind the wall in a closet in our bedroom.
the other network (the netgear modem/router) in the house is in the front bedroom about 30' away which is where my Ethernet is plugged into. the deal is that the set up worked great from December until about may1st.
have had charter come out 2x
also rewired a brand new RG6 quad shielded gold end from the outside the house to the modem.
the garage is wood as is the house
I do have reflectix insulation http://www.reflectixinc.com/ (http://www.reflectixinc.com/)
on all the interior walls of the garage over R-13 fiberglass.
I expect my 75' CAT6 cable and surge protecors to arrive on may31st.
I am going to try that just out the window, (grounded) over the ground to the garage door, with the second surge protector, grounded and run the airport in the garage, before I bury it in conduit in the ground. I will try both 2.4ghz and 5ghz
my speeds should likely increase and I will have a true network in the garage- for future purposes.
--Ian
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Most residential ISPs do use dynamic IPs since a home user doesn't really need a static IP but that's not the static IP BJ and I are referring to. Within the router, you can set your imac to always use the same internal IP address based on its MAC address.
For instance, my network address is 192.168.10.0 with subnet of 255.255.248.0 and the router IP address is 192.168.10.10 and my IP range starts at 192.168.10.20. All the machines on this router I given a static IP since I disabled DHCP and set it up to hand out static IPs. The computer I'm typing on now is 192.168.10.20 and will always be this address. I can set the computer to manually use this address or make it think its DHCP but as long as its connected to this router, it will use 192.168.10.20
10.x.x.x
172.16.x.x
192.168.x.x
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
these are all private networks and you will never see it used it a public setting like on a webserver, mail server, ISP, etc.
What BJ and I are saying is make both routers have either 10.x or 192.168.x.x since you don't really need double NAT and then make the routers hand out static IPs to the devices on your network. The actual host address doesn't really matter. mine starts at 192.168.10.20 and goes to 192.168.10.35 or .36
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^^^ ^thanx that makes sense...
I will go that route in the future soon
but one thing at a time
I want to first get my network out here.
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so I ran CAT 6 direct to the garage
with 2 APC (Ethernet) Surge Protectors
and I got this speed test result!
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1321188868.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
on the 5ghz network
way better now I have the net work in the garage
now to run the CAT 6 trough 2/4" grey PVC electrical conduit!
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AWESOME!!!
Where was the cable connected to? from airport or from netgear?
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AWESOME!!!
Where was the cable connected to? from airport or from netgear?
to be exact "AwesomeExtreme!"
The Netgear is the only Modem we have currently- it is also the router my wife's network is set up in the house.
so the RG6 Quad shielded coax is connected from the charter line from the outside of the house -> the NetGear Modem/Router -> CAT6 (from Ethernet out on netgear) -> APC surge ->CAT6> APC surge#2 -> CAT6 -> Airport Extreme
now at 5 ghz I show Signal: -37 | Noise: -96 | Rate: 300 | Type: 802.11 (5GHz)
:) :) :) :) ;D
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I see....the airport was ALSO in the garage with the computer and you were trying to obtain steady speeds wirelessly from the house with netgear.
Take some pictures when you burying the cable!!
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I see....the airport was ALSO in the garage with the computer and you were trying to obtain steady speeds wirelessly from the house with netgear.
Take some pictures when you burying the cable!!
not exactly
the Airport had been in the house in a closet along the back wall of the house. The Hawking USB 13dbi antenna (2.4ghz n) was aimed at the Airport at the house.
my original plan in September was to trench an ether net cable
I tried Powerline adapters, and a slew of other stuff then the hawking
but since about May 1st my signal kept dropping
so I went back to the CAT6 cable so I COULD have the airport in the garage!
I'm gonna take documentation photos
when using the 3/4" conduit and trenches, yes of course.
I am just so happy it works - and I should have went this route in the first place!
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Well september has come and gone. Has the ditch been dug yet?
I have discovered ubiquiti wifi products that would be PERFECT if you have not yet dug a ditch. ubiquiti makes wifi AP/routers for businesses and wifi providers. Think wifi access in a park. It is also possible to setup a point to point or point to multi point over several miles with there products.
Perhaps the picostation is something you can use in your situation. http://www.ubnt.com/picostationm
You won't find these devices at bestbuy or even on newegg but that doesn't mean the are outrageous in price. Titan Wireless sells it for $80
http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/Ubiquiti-Pico2M-HP-AP-p/ap-pico2m-hp.htm
Let us know if you made the ditch or not!
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Sean,
Here are a number of pics I have took when the trench was dug... with the 3/4" PVC grey "Conduit" run with the CAT 6 Ethernet cable installed.
The Hawking did work well, before there was too much interference, of the leaves.
I need to put up FS in the YS
anyway
here is the trench and sidewalks and cubs in all their glory:
from the house:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/76e8ede8.jpg)
another view of the grey conduit exiting the back bedroom:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/60044eed.jpg)
further down and a view of the ~ 70° turn:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/1b333be9.jpg)
from there under sidewalk 1 :
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/241d6917.jpg)
A view of sidewalk 1 & 2:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/2737c40f.jpg)
the ~ 60° turn exiting sidewalk 2:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/5102860b.jpg)
top view of that ~ 60° turn:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/2ae157e5.jpg)
Then following the angle of the sidewalk toward the garage:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/a8bb164f.jpg)
A closer view of the way to the Garage and the steps to the door:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/00e7cf31.jpg)
Closer and a view of sidewalk 3 and the transition to the Curb:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/73167064.jpg)
Under the curb and to the garage:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/ArchivalAudio/Trench-4-Ethernet/58b843ce.jpg)
To help make custom angle bends from the 90° and the 45° angle elbows I used a heat gun to get the angle I needed.
The system has been functioning fine after I purchased a DOCSIS 3 Motorola cable modem - the net gear was totally over heating and I ended up having a 19" box fan on 24/7 to cool it down.... Charter is owned by ComCrap, and has multiple glitches with there service.
peace out
--Ian
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Hey thanks for following up with pictures of the big dig. Glad it all worked out for you, nice job! :clapping:
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Hey thanks for following up with pictures of the big dig. Glad it all worked out for you, nice job! :clapping:
Thank you!
It took me so long because the pics seemed to have gotten lost, and then found
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(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1880079929.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
latest result running Airport Extreme at 5Ghz
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That is great work! Nice job and its good to hear it paid off!
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I think that much of the issues with consistency was the the NetGear Modem/Router
Instead of paying them 9.99/month to "rent" the crappy routerI finally decided to purchase a Motorla DOCSIS 3.0 Cable modem.
We already had another wireless router for in the house and set that up.
I decided that it would be worth payong the extra 9.99 per month to upgrade our speed package.
The main issue was we would loose connection all togetther, and this was caused by the netgear Modem/Router overheating after a few hours, or less. I fixed that by using a 19" box fan on medium blowing accross the unit, while it was placed an a "screened" shelf.
To be honest
I believe that most of the connection issues can now be traced to the netgear unit, which we returned to charter.
we still have occasional issues, but sometimes it charter.
At work we have charter, and use it for our VOIP phones etc.... in the past month they have gone DOWN for over 12 hours 2x, and region wide (nearly state wide).
all in all we are mostly happy with our set up.
thanx
--Ian