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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #255 on: January 23, 2011, 10:54:25 PM »
what is the barrel/connector size for the external DC power on the MR-1 ?

I found another likely candidate >

http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-9V-12V-Portable-Rechargeable-CCTV-Li-ion-battery-/230575701872?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item35af61ff70

The next 3 are an amazing value for the power and size, but you'd have to get or make your own connectors.
I think these batteries have high output, as they are power supplies and not chargers.
There is no output current stated.

5V/4800ma > http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-4800mAh-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-4-CCTV-Alarm-/290495475247?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item43a2e12e2f

5V/5800ma > http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-DC-USB-5V-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-4-CCTV-Camera-/250671000270?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5d27eace

5V/7800ma > http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-7800mah-Rechargeable-Li-battery-Large-Capacity-/330390473319?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item4cecce8a67
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #256 on: January 23, 2011, 11:23:55 PM »
Yeah, I'd advise against that Dealextreme battery. I have those, or at least a clone of those, and if they are anything alike, you will constantly have to check whether it is still charging. If it isn't you have to unplug then plug. I don't understand why either, since it is rated 5V, 1.5 A, so it should be plenty of juice.

I actually use them as an externals for my camera and camcorder, which takes 8.4V.

I could probably shorten the cable for stealth, but I rarely stealth. When I do, it was actually nice to have the pigtail because I could keep the battery my pocket, keep the recorder in my hand, and not have a long cable dangling around. I like the pigtail for non stealth situations too.



I found a guy who makes Li-poly & Li-ion power cells.
I gave him the specs - just waiting to hear back.
It might be around $70.
It's a 5V/~8AH (@ 1" thick) battery and the size is almost the same as the MR-1 with a right angle connector.

BTW - it seems 6V is a good amount of voltage to power the deck longer.
I don't know the tolorances, but 1 volt is certainly no issue.
(I wouldn't do 9V, that might smoke the voltage regulator).

Well, as far as tolerances go, eventually my unit with 16mins of battery life may get to be the guinea pig.
From the links you posted, this $40 battery:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/universal-usb-battery-with-cell-phone-adaptors-4400mah-5v-8-4v-output-4822

Dimensions: 3.35 in x 2.24 in x 0.83 in
Weight: 11.85 oz
Output: DC 5V/1.5A, 6V/1.2A, 8.4V/0.8A

would allow a set 6v output, which might work, assuming that these batteries would sometimes dip below 5v when set at that.
The MR-1 is 0.9 x 0.7 x 0.3 inches & 2.6 pounds, so that battery would still be bigger.

The pics of tedyun's MACALLY External look good. The cable a bit unwieldy, so I'd want a nice custom job for that. A long & a short one.
If what you're trying to get made would work like that, then that's a good $70.

Keeping it all so compact is nice, but really, since you are only getting, what? 3v phantom power out of the mic in, then most of us will bulk up on mics, preamps or mic power modules, which will expand the footprint and tangle thing up a bit. Right now the units I run have a power cord and a splitter running out of them and that kind of gets messy in your pocket.

(damn! just missed another PMD620 on ebay!)

When I used the MR1 as a backup only to my DAT back in 2008 and the batter ran for 2.5 hrs, it was a nice companion.
I kept it in my breast pocket and while the 2-channel splitter was a little bulky, even with the case it was not in the way.

Now...

Not stealthy at all.
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #257 on: January 23, 2011, 11:27:19 PM »
Make sure to find the current on those. If it's under 1 A, I'm pretty sure they won't work (most USB batteries are 5 V, 500 mA). If they are 1 A or more, they may or may not work!


what is the barrel/connector size for the external DC power on the MR-1 ?

I found another likely candidate >

http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-9V-12V-Portable-Rechargeable-CCTV-Li-ion-battery-/230575701872?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item35af61ff70

The next 3 are an amazing value for the power and size, but you'd have to get or make your own connectors.
I think these batteries have high output, as they are power supplies and not chargers.
There is no output current stated.

5V/4800ma > http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-4800mAh-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-4-CCTV-Alarm-/290495475247?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item43a2e12e2f

5V/5800ma > http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-DC-USB-5V-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-4-CCTV-Camera-/250671000270?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5d27eace

5V/7800ma > http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-5V-7800mah-Rechargeable-Li-battery-Large-Capacity-/330390473319?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item4cecce8a67
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
Photo: Canon 5D3, Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8, Canon EF 35mm f1.4L Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L MkI, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS MkI, Canon EF 50 mm f1.4, Canon EF 50 f1.2L, Canon EF 300 f/4L IS, Canon EF 100-400 f4-5.6L IS MkI
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #258 on: January 23, 2011, 11:48:26 PM »
I didn't read all 18 pages of the thread so if I'm saying something that's been said, my apologies....  ;D

For external I've always used a Tekkeon MP-3450 with a DC barrel set on 5V, it runs the MR-1 all day in festival situations with no issues(my internal battery was never worth a heap so I always had to run on an external source). I've also run the MR-1 off the USB 5V side on a Tekkeon MP-3450 and run my Mixpre off the DC barrel side at 9V simultaneously. Both devices on 1 battery, always worked fine for me.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #259 on: January 24, 2011, 12:27:52 AM »
getting closer on the internal battery >
check out the size and capacity

I need to take measurements to see how much I can squeeze in the there...

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-DESIRE-EXTENDED-3000mAh-BATTERY/dp/B0047YHK12

from an earlier post
the internal battery of my MR-1 has the following specifications:
         3.7V, 2000mAh, ~44g   / size : 53 x 38 x 10 mm



I still need the DC connector size
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #260 on: January 24, 2011, 12:11:08 PM »
The connector is an EIAJ-02


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIAJ_connector


Same as D8, M1, D100, JB3, etc
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #261 on: January 24, 2011, 01:11:50 PM »
It's a little too wide, but close!

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=133941.msg1801004#msg1801004

 How do you connect the contacts on a cell phone battery to wires? Do you just solder wires onto the contacts?


getting closer on the internal battery >
check out the size and capacity

I need to take measurements to see how much I can squeeze in the there...

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-DESIRE-EXTENDED-3000mAh-BATTERY/dp/B0047YHK12

from an earlier post
the internal battery of my MR-1 has the following specifications:
         3.7V, 2000mAh, ~44g   / size : 53 x 38 x 10 mm



I still need the DC connector size

Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
Photo: Canon 5D3, Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8, Canon EF 35mm f1.4L Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L MkI, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS MkI, Canon EF 50 mm f1.4, Canon EF 50 f1.2L, Canon EF 300 f/4L IS, Canon EF 100-400 f4-5.6L IS MkI
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #262 on: January 24, 2011, 02:05:07 PM »
It's a little too wide, but close!

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=133941.msg1801004#msg1801004

 How do you connect the contacts on a cell phone battery to wires? Do you just solder wires onto the contacts?


getting closer on the internal battery >
check out the size and capacity

I need to take measurements to see how much I can squeeze in the there...

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-DESIRE-EXTENDED-3000mAh-BATTERY/dp/B0047YHK12

from an earlier post
the internal battery of my MR-1 has the following specifications:
         3.7V, 2000mAh, ~44g   / size : 53 x 38 x 10 mm



I still need the DC connector size


Yes, they get soldered.
I sat on a bench for years soldering circuit boards and fixing gear, so no problem.
I do neat work.

I just wanted to show I was getting somewhere with the search...still looking.
But that type of battery may be the answer.
Hi-capacity replacement battery for a cellphone or a PMP.
I'd just solder and then dress the connection...
should work fine.

H2O - Thanks for the connector size !
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #263 on: January 24, 2011, 03:16:53 PM »
Here's the thread about using more than 5v:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=125404.0

I suspect that 7 is too much, but 6 might be fine.
None of this has to do with the internal, though. Just an external.
If a steady 6v did not overheat after 6 hours or so, I'd say that is the key to keeping the internal "charging" while in the field.
Again, the important part about that is that once the external is done, you are running down your internal, and the only has so many charges before its unreliable.

I am definitely keen on watching igene go on this search for a better internal.
One that could run the thing for 4-5 hours while pulling DSD is really all you would need.
But again, that battery would eventually lose its charge and probably fast when it happens.
One day you'd have 4 hours of record time and the next 2, etc...

That's how my first one went.
Now I feel its important to not actually fully charge > discharge all the time to keep the life in them for when you need it.
(like the spontaneous jam session in the bar after the show when your gear is all stowed away but your MR1 isn't)

But if we could land on a battery that we could easily replace when the time comes (for less than the cost of a new deck) then I wouldn't even think twice. But I'd probably still want an external in a pocket for when the 3 hour mark arrives.

I'm pretty happy with the internal drive, and I can understand the desire to eliminate the moving parts by replacing the HD, but until that can guarantee the error-free writes that the current HD has, then that seems to risky for the primary deck.

BTW, they are now completely out of production, so maybe Korg has some batteries they'd let go in bulk somewhere.
Its not like them to ever release release anything that might help hobyists tinker with their products, but I would love to have a gross of those batteries and be able to pop them out and put new ones in.

In fact, that would be the real way to upgrade this deck:
Remove the battery altogether and cut a slot in the side which would take a pre-charged lithium that fit into it like a memory card.
I realize it sounds crazy, but looking at the size of the battery, it wouldn't be too troublesome if it had some extra hardware on it-- if it had a connection grid that would allow it to snap in and hold, which could be built in the space the battery used to take, then it stuck out the side a little, that wouldn't be too bad. (I guess it would have to be the bottom, though)

You could build a unit to hold 4 batteries and charge them, then you'd have a handful of 2+ hour batteries in your pocket at the show & you could just shut down, pop one out and pop a new one in.

Yes, I realize that's all crazy, but then that's how all of this looked when i started reading it.

Picture something like this:

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/BATCAPMB13/

That would have all your batteries in it.
once again, lost in all the noise

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #264 on: January 24, 2011, 04:02:21 PM »
I'm taking a chance on an external battery (power supply) & making my own cables.
I ordered all this...(enough parts to make 2 cables) >

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250671000270&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=CP-2198-ND
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=AE10091-ND
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=AE10636-ND

I liked what taperj said about powering the MR-1 and a Mixpre off 1 battery,
(I have one too) so I'm getting a 5v/12v battery.

[battery $23.56] + [digikey parts/shipped  <$10.] = less than $33.

MR-1 dimensions >     12cm  X 6.3cm X 2.0cm
battery dimensions > 9.2cm X 6.0cm X 3.0cm

really close !

I'm still working on the custom battery.
 I wanted something right now so I can use the deck.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #265 on: January 24, 2011, 08:33:45 PM »
BTW - The EIAJ-02 is the external DC connector - I don't know the internal connector spec but looks like a standard white 2 prong locking connector - You would need to take out the logic board to fully identifty what the connector is.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #266 on: January 24, 2011, 09:45:30 PM »
BTW - The EIAJ-02 is the external DC connector - I don't know the internal connector spec but looks like a standard white 2 prong locking connector - You would need to take out the logic board to fully identifty what the connector is.

No worries, Just unplug, snip and solder to the new battery.
(I'll post the pics after I do it)
« Last Edit: January 25, 2011, 11:53:59 PM by igene »
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #267 on: January 25, 2011, 12:51:04 AM »
This external power supply covers a lot.
physical size, power, huge capacity & adapters.
(even has a low power indicator led)
and a decent price for what you get.
(it's actually pretty sick)

http://product.madeinchina.com/wholesale-product-image/3-7V-8800mAh-Universal-Digital-Power-Supply_12896162.shtml

I'm getting closer ~ to the internal size too >

http://product.madeinchina.com/3-7V-3000mAh-Capacity-Battery-Pack-Back-Cover-for_12842545.shtml

this battery is > 5.1cm x 5.0cm x 1.1cm  / 3000mah

MR-1 internal battery > 5.3cm x 3.8cm x 1.0cm  /2000mah
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #268 on: January 29, 2011, 01:06:07 PM »
I got the parts for the cable, now I'm waiting on the battery.

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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #269 on: February 01, 2011, 04:15:58 PM »
600x MLC CompactFlash card fails.

As I previously posted, testing a 133x CF card only allowed recording at the lowest data stream, and it was 1/3 lower than the fastest data stream a 400x card could write, so I was hopeful the data steam/CF card speeds were scalable. I hoped that a 600x card could write a DFF data stream.

I ordered the following card:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WE4HJW

In all my tests, I format the card prior to recording.

My first test was to record 2.5 h recording, and it worked! I then replaced it with the slower card (133x), and verified that the slower card could not (and the slower card couldn't as expected). I then replaced the 600x card and I recorded another 2 h. Everything was working fine.

I then charged the unit overnight in order to perform a battery test. With the battery, what I noticed is that the drain was faster than that of the 133x MLC CF card and the SLC CF card. By 1.5 h of recording, I was down to 1 bar on the indicator. With an SLC, it drops to 1 bar after 2 h of recording. I stopped it at 2 h of recording because I was concerned that it would run out of battery. To my surprise, I received the Drive Error!

I repeated recording with the MR1 plugged in, and again, I received the Drive Error.

I'm stumped at this point, and all I can say is ... thank goodness for Amazon's generous return policy!!!!

Ideas??? Questions???

On a side note, I took the SLC CF modded MR1 out on Sun for a test run. I ran DPA 4021 > Aerco > MR1. In my recording, I get random clicking. It is easily handled by the iZotope RX declicker fortunately. I haven't experienced this with this set up before. I am not sure if it is the mics, preamp, cables or recorder, but I will definitely report back if I isolate the cause to the CF card mod.

Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
Photo: Canon 5D3, Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8, Canon EF 35mm f1.4L Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L MkI, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS MkI, Canon EF 50 mm f1.4, Canon EF 50 f1.2L, Canon EF 300 f/4L IS, Canon EF 100-400 f4-5.6L IS MkI
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