Topic: Good deal?

[Rob D.]

I'm all set to jump on this but wanted to run by some folks here first. I have the opportunity buy a set of Neumann KM-140s w/150 caps for $2,050.
The seller tells me they're in very good condition. This is not an aution but a private owner. Good deal?

[Brian]

just to be clear.  you are getting a set of km100's with a pair of ak40s and a pair of ak50s?

[philR]

i'd say so.  a used skm 140 set runs about $1500-$1600, and it's hard to find a used set of the 50's, but they usually go for $1400 or so just themselves.

[neumannkid]

Its a good deal, buy those suckers, and sell me the ak50 caps for 500$

[Brian Skalinder]

If it includes actives, that's a decent deal.  If not, it's not a good deal.

[neumannkid]

If it includes actives, that's a decent deal.  If not, it's not a good deal.

QFT
I was assuming this set had actives good catch Brian

[philR]

oh, i missed that too.

[Rob D.]

just to be clear.  you are getting a set of km100's with a pair of ak40s and a pair of ak50s?

Yes and yes to the actives.

"Yes. They are in very good condition. I hv the
small wooden cases for the 50 caps, and the larger case for the 40s,
bodies, actives."

[Tim]

that's a very good deal

jump on it....

[Rob D.]

that's a very good deal

jump on it....

I have! I know this is a dumb question but I also know there are a lot of folks who run these mics so can you mount the body/caps or do you mount just the caps? I'm trying to decide if I need to buy the mounts for the active caps?

[Tim]

yes, get that neumann bar if he's including it... it will let you do x/y and ortf and a din-ish configuration.

if he's not then just order the Kwon bars from Frank....

[neumannkid]

that's a very good deal

jump on it....

I have! I know this is a dumb question but I also know there are a lot of folks who run these mics so can you mount the body/caps or do you mount just the caps? I'm trying to decide if I need to buy the mounts for the active caps?

You can mount the full mic but like tim said get the neumann bar or pick up some kwon bars for mounting just the caps. Its a great option to have IMHO.

[Tim]

what's the point in paying for actives if you're not going to run them....

I never used to run full bodies, the fewer times you screw and unscrew those cables the less chance that one of the threads gets messed up...

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

I run the actives all the time too.   Once you get used to running that way, you never go back.  It throws a small shadow, so you get away with fob.  You can clamp anywhere with ease.  Leaving the verticle bar and shock mounts at home is a liberating experience.

And get yourself a kwon bar for running DIN.   You can run the ORTF upfront but I never wanted to run XY after I tried ORTF.  NOS I love with the 43s.  I think the DIN will give a similar effect with the 40s and he has a bar for running the hypers DIN also.

[neumannkid]

Being that your limited to certain configs with the Neumann bars, there are times that I have run the full bodies instead because I have such a shitty position to tape from in the venue and I feel the need to modify the config to fit the room better.

Then there was the time I lost my neumann bars for over a year and was forced to always run the bodies because I didnt want to shell out the cash to neumann for new bars. Luckily I found them and its all good once again.

[Tim]

I want to hear your fob 43's from Panic....

love those caps

[neumannkid]

I run the actives all the time too.   Once you get used to running that way, you never go back.  It throws a small shadow, so you get away with fob.  You can clamp anywhere with ease.  Leaving the verticle bar and shock mounts at home is a liberating experience.

And get yourself a kwon bar for running DIN.   You can run the ORTF upfront but I never wanted to run XY after I tried ORTF.  NOS I love with the 43s.  I think the DIN will give a similar effect with the 40s and he has a bar for running the hypers DIN also.

I agree Im not a fan of the x/y config since I ran ortf

[Brian]

Being that your limited to certain configs with the Neumann bars, there are times that I have run the full bodies instead because I have such a shitty position to tape from in the venue and I feel the need to modify the config to fit the room better.

Then there was the time I lost my neumann bars for over a year and was forced to always run the bodies because I didnt want to shell out the cash to neumann for new bars. Luckily I found them and its all good once again.

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps.  being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.  But it's just a personal preference.  the smallness of actives is the heat though.  if you got a stealthable pre/recorder it's a nice thing to have.

[Tim]

I ran x/y 100* with the ak50's and had a few decent tapes...

if I was you I would think about selling the ak50's and buying some ak43's.... but I'm a slut for subcards.

[neumannkid]

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps.  being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.  But it's just a personal preference.  the smallness of actives is the heat though.  if you got a stealthable pre/recorder it's a nice thing to have.

Yes the stealth option is always nice, if I wasnt such a pussy about it

[Brian Skalinder]

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps. being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.

FWIW, A20S shockmount + Vark bar + SCG clips will give you good flexibility in horizontal spread and included angle - while still running actives.

[Tim]

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps. being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.

FWIW, A20S shockmount + Vark bar + SCG clips will give you good flexibility in horizontal spread and included angle - while still running actives.

beat me to it....

great little combo, still small enough to run fob...

[Brian]

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps. being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.

FWIW, A20S shockmount + Vark bar + SCG clips will give you good flexibility in horizontal spread and included angle - while still running actives.

ahhhhhhhh......very cool, thanks!

edit: what would a combo like that cost new?

[Rob D.]

what's the point in paying for actives if you're not going to run them....

Good deal?      I'm T'ing up all ya'all. Thanks for all they great info! (you can -T me for using "all ya'all"   
And someone welcome me to Team Neumann already! 

[Tim]

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps. being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.

FWIW, A20S shockmount + Vark bar + SCG clips will give you good flexibility in horizontal spread and included angle - while still running actives.

ahhhhhhhh......very cool, thanks!

edit: what would a combo like that cost new?

vark bar is like $50, the sgc clips are $18 for the plastic... $62 for the metal

here's the link to the vark bar http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html
here's the link to the clips http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton03.html#table5

I'm assuming you already have an a20s shockmount coming, if not they're available from posthorn as well....

[neumannkid]

what's the point in paying for actives if you're not going to run them....

I never used to run full bodies, the fewer times you screw and unscrew those cables the less chance that one of the threads gets messed up...

Good deal?      I'm T'ing up all ya'all. Thanks for all they great info! (you can -T me for using "all ya'all"   
And someone welcome me to Team Neumann already! 

Welcome your in for a wild ride

[Brian]

vark bar is like $50, the sgc clips are $18 for the plastic... $62 for the metal

here's the link to the vark bar http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html
here's the link to the clips http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton03.html#table5

I'm assuming you already have an a20s shockmount coming, if not they're available from posthorn as well....

cool. that's not bad at all.  I'll have to double check what i'm getting with the cmc64s.  I think an a20s and possibly an ortf bar but i'm not sure.  after seeing the price i didn't really bother with those details

[neumannkid]

pretty much the same reason i won't mind running the bodies for my new schoeps. being able to vary around the "standard" configs is kind of a necessity for the venues I tape in.

FWIW, A20S shockmount + Vark bar + SCG clips will give you good flexibility in horizontal spread and included angle - while still running actives.

ahhhhhhhh......very cool, thanks!

edit: what would a combo like that cost new?

vark bar is like $50, the sgc clips are $18 for the plastic... $62 for the metal

here's the link to the vark bar http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html
here's the link to the clips http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton03.html#table5

I'm assuming you already have an a20s shockmount coming, if not they're available from posthorn as well....

Damn I wish they had those clips for neumann caps thats the way to go

[Tim]

vark bar is like $50, the sgc clips are $18 for the plastic... $62 for the metal

here's the link to the vark bar http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html
here's the link to the clips http://www.posthorn.com/Sbutton03.html#table5

I'm assuming you already have an a20s shockmount coming, if not they're available from posthorn as well....

cool. that's not bad at all.  I'll have to double check what i'm getting with the cmc64s.  I think an a20s and possibly an ortf bar but i'm not sure.  after seeing the price i didn't really bother with those details

in the world of schoeps the vark/sgc combo is an absolute steal

[krebsy]

Welcome to the best team there is!!  We pull all the sick tapes!!   

[Tim]

welcome to the team.... enjoy the ride

[philR]

welcome to the team, and you'll love running them no matter what.