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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2023, 12:36:41 PM »
In the photo above the mics need to be rotated 180 degrees in the mount.
The red dots should face forward.

Similar thread, see the illustration in the first post- https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=186491.0

Either of the orientations in that 1st post illustration will work, as the red dots face forward in both cases.  Choice between one or the other is mostly about cable management and of course which way the mount is setup to work.  Yours will be like the second illustration, which seems most common.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2023, 01:19:59 PM »
In the photo above the mics need to be rotated 180 degrees in the mount.
The red dots should face forward.

Similar thread, see the illustration in the first post- https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=186491.0

Either of the orientations in that 1st post illustration will work, as the red dots face forward in both cases.  Choice between one or the other is mostly about cable management and of course which way the mount is setup to work.  Yours will be like the second illustration, which seems most common.

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2023, 05:13:48 PM »
Off topic, but somewhat relevant..

IMO, for either the 41 or 41V (or any super/hyper):
From my ear’s perspective..  I ‘think’ that to get the pattern’s full sound, the rear lobe of any super/hyper should not be blocked/baffled if possible.  Although there might be situations where that is preferred if there is a lot of noise right behind you or rear reflections or something.
But that rear lobe of the 41’s is magic IMO.
YMMV as it all might be my ears or in my head.

A friend once ran 41V’s vertically, but backwards on a stand (red dots aiming wrong directions).  I think that the recording was still listenable, but not what it could have been.

None the less, that’s a sweet mount!

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2023, 07:22:58 PM »
I ‘think’ that to get the pattern’s full sound, the rear lobe of any super/hyper should not be blocked/baffled

Anything in close proximity to the microphone can effect pattern and response, particularly if its near or blocks the front or rear vents.  The larger the object is the greater its influence, and the closer the object is the greater its influence.

Ideally, unless intentionally using a baffle as part of the recording technique, one shouldn't have anything in close proximity to the microphones, but practically we need to mount them somehow, and when worn, a large object in close proximity is impossible to get away from.  When head worn, the head may or may not be leveraged as an intentional baffle.  It certainly is used intentionally for HRTF "dummy head" like setups.  Worn in a hat as discussed above, the arrangement is no longer HTRF dummy head like (both mics are out in front of the baffle, rather than on either side of it), but the head still acts as a baffle to the rear which may provide some useful sensitivity attenuation for sounds arriving from directly behind.  In any case, best to avoid blocking the sound path to both the front and rear vents as much as possible.

I've wondered how much of the sound of a supercard is related to the tightness of its pattern and how much is related to its small rear lobe.  That would be a good comp to make with a higher-order ambisonic microphone.  At a high enough order, one can retain a very similar front pattern to a first-order supercardioid but without any appreciable rear lobe.  I'd very much like to hear that. It may be the collective front and back lobe in combination (with inverted polarity) that produces the sound of the supercard that we are familiar with, more than just the 1st order pattern shape.

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A friend once ran 41V’s vertically, but backwards on a stand (red dots aiming wrong directions).  I think that the recording was still listenable, but not what it could have been.

I run a pair of rear facing DPA supercards as a regular part of my multimicrophone array.  Its really interesting to listen to that pair in isolation, and compare it to the isolated forward facing microphones. So much of the sound we end up recording is the diffuse/reverberant sound filling the room, that even intentionally using supercards in that way to maximally reduce the sensitivity of that pair to sound arriving from the front hemisphere doesn't do as much as one might think to "eliminate the sound arriving from the front".

Regardless of how the microphones are oriented, when listened to in isolation we end up getting more similar sounding content in each of them than many folks probably realize.

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2023, 08:49:35 PM »
I ‘think’ that to get the pattern’s full sound, the rear lobe of any super/hyper should not be blocked/baffled

Anything in close proximity to the microphone can effect pattern and response, particularly if its near or blocks the front or rear vents.  The larger the object is the greater its influence, and the closer the object is the greater its influence.

Not any tapers, but lots of people nowadays could put the rear lobe pointing straight into their ears and they'd be just fine.  :)

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2023, 03:48:52 PM »
^ Not sure your meaning there.

What I was attempting to say is that although both can produce an audible effect, blocking the vents (front or sides) will be considerably more egregious to sound quality than the presence of an object in close proximity behind the microphone.

Applied, that means don't worry about your head, but do concerned yourself with maintaining an open sound path to the vents as much as possible.
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2023, 10:17:26 AM »
^ Not sure your meaning there.

Many people's heads are filled with a vacuum...won't interfere with the rear lobes of mic capsules.  I was joking...but maybe being semi-serious.   ;)

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2023, 07:37:03 PM »
That's 14.7 psi worse than an being an airhead!  At least around here at sea level.

"So a vacuum headed taper walks into a millibar and says, I'm feeling a bit pressured here.."
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2023, 05:53:14 AM »
That's 14.7 psi worse than an being an airhead!  At least around here at sea level.

"So a vacuum headed taper walks into a millibar and says, I'm feeling a bit pressured here.."

Not related, but I heard a technical nerd joke today that I LOLed at.

The doctor tells a woman she only has six months to live.  He advises her to marry a chemist and move to Toledo.  She asks if that will help cure her illness.  He answers, no but it'll make six months seem like eternity.

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2023, 03:37:28 PM »
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2023, 03:39:00 PM »
I see all the time here folks saying the 4Vs and 41Vs are much easier to run in a hat. I've always run 4s and 41s and I can't picture the advantage of the Vs in a hat either. If anyone can explain it (PM is fine), I would appreciate it as well. I doubt I'd change now since I have everything but I'd like to understand the advantage that the Vs offer.

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It depends on the hat.  The way I wear mine the V's won't work as well.


Yes, Kangol for some reason just looks out of place in florida ( just my opinion) just use mesh baseball cap, but would like to know mounting options, thank you

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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2023, 04:23:26 PM »
Yes, Kangol for some reason just looks out of place in florida ( just my opinion)

A Kangol looks out of place everywhere. You have to be willing to make a fashion statement. I had an artist laugh at me the first time he saw me in the hat (taper friendly artist in a non-friendly venue).
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2023, 05:39:54 PM »
I don't care wearing a Kangol.
I'm there to get the job done, not to look well dressed.

it's a concert, not a fashion show :)
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2023, 07:23:14 PM »
Will that Shapeways mount work for MK 41s if I spin my Kangol around backwards or is my head in the way then?

I have sewn elastic loops into the Kangol that work OK but it is never really a stereo configuration.

And, I am normally dressed like an odd duckling anyway. I recently went to a show to meet another taper I had never met and as soon as I saw the knobby Kangol I knew he was the right guy. LOL
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Re: Schoeps MK41 vs MK41V
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2023, 07:39:48 PM »
Yes, Kangol for some reason just looks out of place in florida ( just my opinion)

A Kangol looks out of place everywhere. You have to be willing to make a fashion statement. I had an artist laugh at me the first time he saw me in the hat (taper friendly artist in a non-friendly venue).

I guess maybe what i meant those Kangols really make me sweat, they don't seem to breathe to well. I just sew elastic bands inside mesh baseball hat in what I hope is favorable configuration
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