Topic: JB3 and stealth

[Music is alive]

Those that tape with the JB3 in a stealth - not open - environment - how do you get the device in?  Do you crotch it, or do you "hide it in plain sight" like a CD-walkman?

It occurs to me that given its CD-walkman appearance, one thought is to hide it in plain sight in a fanny pack and some headphones and just stroll in with it - but will they let you in the door (arena shows) with such a device openly displayed, even if they have no clue that it records?  Or will they make you take it back to the car?

[bagtagsell]

I'm working on a mod for the jb3 right now.  Its going to be a fabrication really.  I am going to either 1. pain my jb3 to look like a sony walkman or 2. find a cd case and mod it to fit on my jb3.

[Music is alive]

But will most venues allow you in if they just think it's a regular CD walkman (i.e. not a recording device)?  Or will they not let it in?  Folks that in fact stealth with NJB3, how do they typically get it in?

[Humbug]

But will most venues allow you in if they just think it's a regular CD walkman (i.e. not a recording device)?  Or will they not let it in?  Folks that in fact stealth with NJB3, how do they typically get it in?

I have answered this before, but if you guys don't mind the repeat, I don't mind typing!

My technique is to have no technique - the JB3 lives in my jacket pocket. As you point out, it looks a bit like a CD player, and thats what security assume it is. Generally they are more interested in getting people through the door as quickly as possible, or looking for drink cans / bottles / sometimes cameras.

100+ stealth recordings with no problems, so far. I guess at some stage I WILL get busted, but I'm reasonably subtle about things, even though I'm a nervous taper (I have to check the Nomad every couple of songs, to see if its still recording, and I still have levels).

[hexyjones]

ASSUMPTION #1 - PEOPLE ARE STUPID! - Your average Amercian just isnt that discerning...

These days everyones cell phone has little blue glowing screen!!! - No one notices stealthers anymore...

You young'ns dont know how easy you have it...

Just walk in with your stuff!!!!

You are more likely to call yourself out by being paranoid and sneaky...

I stealthed "Jars of Clay" - a Christian "Praise" Band - with my JB3 on my lap...checked levels whenever I liked...right in the middle of the threater...

[The Kilted Taper]

Agreed with above. I have never even attempted to crotch the jb3, there is no need. More often then not I won't have a jacket or pockets big enough to put it in, so I walk in with it in my hands. No questions have ever been asked. I've actaully been to a few shows that I saw others doing the same, with the JB3. Takes the paranoia factor right out of the equation. I've been to small clubs, big rooms, and arenas and have never been asked to take it back.

[kfrinkle]

Do you guys leave the leather pouch off when attempting this method?  I have leather pouches for mine and I think it makes them look not quite as CD-player-ish.

Agreed with above. I have never even attempted to crotch the jb3, there is no need. More often then not I won't have a jacket or pockets big enough to put it in, so I walk in with it in my hands. No questions have ever been asked. I've actaully been to a few shows that I saw others doing the same, with the JB3. Takes the paranoia factor right out of the equation. I've been to small clubs, big rooms, and arenas and have never been asked to take it back.

[hexyjones]

I dont have the pouch - I suspect the majority of us dont...

You have to see this from the normal persons context...

Only YOU are seeing the pouch - no one is thinking on that level at all...!!!

[The Kilted Taper]

I use the pouch, and as stated, never was looked at twice.

[mondraryfields]

I keep my Nomad in my jacket pocket.  I've had security ask me twice what was in my pocket.  Both times I just pulled it out and said it was my cd player.  They didn't pay any more attention to it and proceeded with the rest of the pat-down.  I was nervous bringing it in this way at first, but now I do it without even thinking about it. 

[Music is alive]

Ok, thank you guys, I appreciate that.  It does seem to me like you could bring it in among other stuff (like a fanny pack with cell phone, keys etc) and unless  the security guy is really, really cold-blooded, he isn't going to make you carry what he thinks is just a CD walkman with headphones back out to your car.  The reassurances I've heard in this thread were comforting. 

I have some more newbie questions and will post them tonight    I appreciate the responses and the helpfulness.

[kfrinkle]

The only way to get into Tool is to crotch it or have a your lady put it in a purse full of womens feminine products and shit like that.  Most other places, I agree that you can just put it in your pocket and claim it is a CD player. Headphones help too.

[hexyjones]

The only way to get into Tool is to crotch it or have a your lady put it in a purse full of womens feminine products and shit like that.  Most other places, I agree that you can just put it in your pocket and claim it is a CD player. Headphones help too.

You team evil guys have a whole other world of problems! - moshers, etc...

Good point though - expect higher scrutiny at harder edged shows...

[kfrinkle]

Thats why we are TEAM FUCKING EVIL!  Hard core tapers rule!  I feel like I am getting too old for it already at the ripe old age of 27.  My nerves just cant take it like they used to.  Now I get all nervous the entire 6 hours before a tough stealth show, my woman is one cool kitten when it comes to it, but then again she doesnt usually care if it gets taped or not (try getting her exicted about Ministry aint gonna happen).  Half of me wants to hire a woman to go with me to the shows that require extreme stealthing just so I have a backup plan, in the instances where my woman cant make it to .  Most of the time I go solo or with my good friend Mikey, and he is stealthing as well.  Its toooo fucking bad about the Gmini 220, that would have rocked for the next Tool tour.  I am seriously thinking about getting some pins put in my leg and having a serious accident that requires a big ass metal cast on my leg before the next Tool tour.

The only way to get into Tool is to crotch it or have a your lady put it in a purse full of womens feminine products and shit like that.  Most other places, I agree that you can just put it in your pocket and claim it is a CD player. Headphones help too.

You team evil guys have a whole other world of problems! - moshers, etc...

Good point though - expect higher scrutiny at harder edged shows...

[The Kilted Taper]

For what its worth, I walked in to the Ministry show here in DC with the JB3 in hand. Saw at least two others do the same exact thing.

[kfrinkle]

Lets hope more people share their recordings this tour.  The recent few tours have been disgusting taping wise. All the hoarding MOFOs out there...

[formengr]

But will most venues allow you in if they just think it's a regular CD walkman (i.e. not a recording device)?  Or will they not let it in?  Folks that in fact stealth with NJB3, how do they typically get it in?

Pocket of my cargo pants.   

[Music is alive]

Pocket of my cargo pants.   

     Have they ever asked you to take it back to the car?  You keep headphones in there?  And crotch the other gear I assume?

[formengr]

Pocket of my cargo pants.   

     Have they ever asked you to take it back to the car?  You keep headphones in there?  And crotch the other gear I assume?

In my pocket. No headphones. Not back to the car, yet.

[pfife]

The only way to get into Tool is to crotch it or have a your lady put it in a purse full of womens feminine products and shit like that.  Most other places, I agree that you can just put it in your pocket and claim it is a CD player. Headphones help too.

You team evil guys have a whole other world of problems! - moshers, etc...

Good point though - expect higher scrutiny at harder edged shows...

But, at least around my area, Team Evil has another benefit - the Evil shows are so evil that normal people are too scared of the ass kicking goodness that they are usually small shows, which translates into little or no security.

I just taped Suffocation, as well as High on Fire, at a venue that my crappy local band played at.  This is the situation that I tape in almost all the time.

[sml42]

Do you guys leave the leather pouch off when attempting this method?  I have leather pouches for mine and I think it makes them look not quite as CD-player-ish.

Yes, I keep mine in the pouch - clip it to my belt, wear a t-shirt long enough to cover it... and just stroll on in like you own the venue

With venues I'm familiar with, I often walk in fully wired-up, with the mics dangling against my chest under t-shirt... then all's I have to do is hit record and fly the mics. Easy!

best regards,
stephen

[musicsherlock]

The JB3 is no problem, it's the PS-2 & AD-20 that I get nervous about...I usually don't do super stealth, only low-profile stealth.  Meaning, I can stuff my gear at the bottom of my backpack, cover it with clothes from "work" and I'm good to go...