Topic: MS question (ADK content)

[Xpanding Man]

just did my first MS, flecktones at pompano

question:  which channel usually needs more gain to make the levels flat, the M or the S ?   I'm doing the mixdown in post, but i'm just curious if my experience jives with others....

thanks,
john

[Tim]

what are you using to decode? I still haven't tried M/S but I'm curious what program folks are using.

[Lee]

my guess would be M, just becase it's pointed at the sound source.  But I've never run M/S so I wouldn't know...

[Nick's Picks]

side always needs more gain...IME.

[Brian]

does the v2 really decode the M/S signal? or is post production still necessary. would really like to try M/S on the stage lip at this venue for RW20C.

[Nick's Picks]

the V2 can decode M-S..but its sort of funky.
The times i've done it w/the V2/3, I always end up with one channel being louder than the other.  Adding "side" volume is supposed to be  represented equally on each channel, but I didn't find that to be the case.  Side should always be the right channel, and it would end up being represented as louder on the right.  Hmm....think I'll post this one to the oade board and see if Mike Grace answers.
I guess doing it in post is the best bet, though I typicaly do it on the fly.  we'll see...i'll be doing it in post more often now as I dont have anything to do it live with.

[plucks]

JOhn-
Here's a pretty good link:
http://www.arboretum.com/support/manuals/manual_htdm/Files/tdm_processes_2.html#anchor1054369

phil

[Xpanding Man]

Ok, I had a somewhat devious reason for asking  

I'm pretty sure that I had the Left =  Mid and Rigth = Side, but in pure wookie fashion i didn't make sure to remember that i did it that way  

but looking at the ad1000, my left channel trim is all the way up, and my right is all the way down, which jives with Lee's guess and disagrees with Nick's.....

outdoor venue, 8th row DFC wide soundstage, wouldn't the Side sound a lot 'boomier' in a bass heavy mix ?  any other way i can be certain which is which ?  

john 'the MS wook'

[Tim]

shouldn't the mid sound mono?

[Lee]

I meant the mid would be louder, since it's pointed at the sound source, therefore LESS gain on M, MORE on S.

[Tim]

the S should be noticeable, it's off-axis to the music...

[Nick's Picks]

I meant the mid would be louder, since it's pointed at the sound source, therefore LESS gain on M, MORE on S.

took the words out of my mouth.
of course the Mid (center) would be the loudest.  Its the one pointing at the stage.

[Xpanding Man]

upon further review, nick is correct....the mid needs less gain  

going to a friends house this week to do the mix on cool edit pro; will post this for download for sure

thanks for the help,
john

ps - even if this comes out like shit, chris was there with the 21>modcmc5>v2>mme rig, so it got done, which is nice.

[lyle]

I have been recording M/S for a while with a stereo mic. I believe if you look at directions as stated in the V2/V3/or Mini-Mp manual you will see one of these stating a common gain setting is 3:1 ratio of left/mid to right/side. Therefore the lower gain is on the side! With the V2/3 both channels set the same is full stereo. If you take the right/side channel past this the recording will sound much too separated and distant. Just monitor it. IMO I found the 3:1 ratio works very well or 1:1 but never 1:2,3 etc. I am sure you will agree if you try it. And I just do not want to spend  my time in post production so I love M/S Matrix on the fly.