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Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« on: May 11, 2018, 10:23:33 AM »
I am looking for a replacement for my CA-11 mics.
I would like to get away from the Church Audio line for the same reasons as many others on TS.

I am searching for a card mic with FLAT response that is capable of accurately capturing LOUD shows.
As a fan of classic hard rock, I primarily capture bands such as Guns N' Roses, Iron Maiden, AC/DC, and Van Halen.

I am considering the Core Sound Stealthy Cardioid mics.
However, I have read feedback regarding Core Sound's customer service "issues" on the forum.
I am not looking to have another customer service experience similar to what I've experienced with Church Audio.

My mic budget is around $300.
I am planning to unload ALL of my Church gear once I get going with the new mic, so I should be able to recover the money spent on my new gear pretty quickly.

I am open to all options. I do not prefer one brand over another.

Any feedback would be appreciated!

Thank you!

Deck: Sony PCM-M10 Preamp: Church Audio Ugly 2 Mics: CA-11 Cardioids,CA-14 Cardioids
FS: Soundman OKMII Rock Binaural FS: CA-14 Omnis.

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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2018, 10:28:24 AM »
AT853.
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2018, 11:00:45 AM »
I am planning to unload ALL of my Church gear once I get going with the new mic, so I should be able to recover the money spent on my new gear pretty quickly.

I don't know what Church gear you have, but if you've got one of his small battery boxes or preamps, you might consider holding on to those.  You can use them with several other small mics (like the AT853s mentioned above) that rely on plug in power.
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2018, 11:07:17 AM »
Thanks for the advice. I have an Ugly 2 preamp and the 9200.
Deck: Sony PCM-M10 Preamp: Church Audio Ugly 2 Mics: CA-11 Cardioids,CA-14 Cardioids
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 11:26:35 AM »
Yeah I'd definitely keep those if I was you...unless you need to get rid of them to fund something else, of course  :shrug:
Mics: AT4050ST | AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 Pre: CA9200 Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2018, 11:32:37 AM »
I'll hang onto both preamps. Unlike the Church mics, they seem built to last.  ;D
Deck: Sony PCM-M10 Preamp: Church Audio Ugly 2 Mics: CA-11 Cardioids,CA-14 Cardioids
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 11:47:35 AM »
Could a mod please move this thread to the Microphones & Setup sub-forum?

Thank you!
Deck: Sony PCM-M10 Preamp: Church Audio Ugly 2 Mics: CA-11 Cardioids,CA-14 Cardioids
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 12:27:06 PM »
AT853,AT933,AT943

These all sound great and with a 4.7k mod can handle anything.

CSC sound awful do not buy those .


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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2018, 01:00:15 PM »
How about these?

https://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-4U

From what I've read, the low sensitivity option is a must for capturing rock shows.
Feedback would be appreciated. I'd like to make my selection by the end of next week.
Deck: Sony PCM-M10 Preamp: Church Audio Ugly 2 Mics: CA-11 Cardioids,CA-14 Cardioids
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2018, 01:02:11 PM »
How about these?

https://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-4U

From what I've read, the low sensitivity option is a must for capturing rock shows.
Feedback would be appreciated. I'd like to make my selection by the end of next week.

That's the exact same mic as the AT853s, I am almost certain.

Also, seconded that the Core Sound low-cost cardioids are crap. I like their binaurals, though.

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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2018, 01:02:52 PM »
How about these?

https://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-4U

From what I've read, the low sensitivity option is a must for capturing rock shows.
Feedback would be appreciated. I'd like to make my selection by the end of next week.

The SP-CMC 4 are actually AT853 
The SP-CMC-8 are actually AT943

You can find these in the yard sale as well.

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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2018, 04:36:45 PM »
AT853 would be my rec. That being said, I prefer the sound of the CA11s and mine have lasted me like 4 years at this point

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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2018, 04:50:34 PM »
The AT853 is almost identical to CA-14 cards in my tests. Maybe just the slightest bit brighter on the top and bottom ends, but only if you squint your ears.

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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2018, 06:00:16 PM »
1) Chopped Nakamichi cm-300's with cp1 caps. Beautiful sounding cardioid mic. Hard to beat in this price range. Not so small but super easy to stealth in a hat. My no.1 option. Vintage, but they pop up in the yardsale from time to time. 

2) at-853 / SP-CMC 4 (great built quality, interchangeable caps) Small, versatile, great mic. Probably the most comfortable option. I love mine and no matter how often I switch mics, these will always stay.

3) ca-14 cards. Made some of my best sounding recordings with these. Inexpensive. If you take care of them, they will last a long time.
    I never had any problems with the Church Audio mics I used (3 years). They are a bit fragile in terms of built quality but for their price they're absolutely amazing.
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Re: Suggestions Needed for CA-11 Card Replacement
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2018, 06:00:49 PM »
The AT853 is almost identical to CA-14 cards in my tests. Maybe just the slightest bit brighter on the top and bottom ends, but only if you squint your ears.

Thank you for the info. I have a fully functional CA-14 card that I have kept as a backup, since I use my CA-11's as my main mic.
Would there be any point in owning a AT853 card if I have the CA-14?


Deck: Sony PCM-M10 Preamp: Church Audio Ugly 2 Mics: CA-11 Cardioids,CA-14 Cardioids
FS: Soundman OKMII Rock Binaural FS: CA-14 Omnis.

 

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