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track A is the V3 ADC and I like it better
track A is the 722 ADC and I like it better
track B is the V3 ADC and I like it better
track B is the 722 ADC and I like it better
unsure which is which but I like track A better
unsure which is which but I like track B better

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V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« on: August 20, 2005, 12:12:46 AM »
Details are on the BT page. These are 24/96 FLAC files.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=17440
« Last Edit: August 25, 2005, 06:44:34 PM by MattD »
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2005, 12:17:32 AM »
so you had 2  722's there with you?

are these the 24/96 files?

thanks for doing this comp!!! i will post back once i've grabbed it and listened...
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2005, 12:21:24 AM »
so you had 2 722's there with you?

We actually had three (Ned S. ran MK4 > V3 > 722, I think). Had there been a setbreak, I'd have jumped over to his rig. His mics were right under Michael's.
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2005, 12:22:04 AM »
so you had 2 722's there with you?

We actually had three (Ned S. ran MK4 > V3 > 722, I think). Had there been a setbreak, I'd have jumped over to his rig. His mics were right under Michael's.

awesome!!!
Microphones:
CCM4v (pair)
mk6 (pair) and mk41 (pair) with kc5's & cmc6's
mk21 (1) for those M/S situations

Preamps:
Sonosax SX-M2

Recorders:
Sound Devices 722
Edirol R-01

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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2005, 11:53:45 AM »
sweet!  i'll hop on when i get home from work and post my thoughts later.

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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2005, 09:32:46 AM »
Bump for the weekday crowd. My power must have flickered while I was gone since I'm not seeding anymore. Can someone open up a window until I get home and can hop back on?
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2005, 11:38:30 AM »
I'm still seeding this..   I haven't had a chance to listen yet because I need to resamp and dither..

IMO, if you resample and dither, you are going to blow the comparison.  You will still hear a difference, but you will have affected the fundamental characteristic of the devices' sound and the test is no longer strictly valid. 

I suppose that we could do a 16-bit comp if enough people care.  In mean time, if you want to hear the comparison as it was intended, I'll B&P DVDs for anyone who wants them.
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2005, 09:22:09 PM »
Matt or Michael,

Let me know if you want the MK4's>V3>722 for further comp.  However it's 24/48  I know run 96, I know!
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2005, 09:50:46 PM »
I'd love to hear your recording from that night.  I don't know what it takes to add new material into a torrent.

I don't think that the 48k vs 96k will make a vast difference, ymmv.  Some claim they can hear it.
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2005, 11:19:32 PM »
Ned, I'll have to get back in touch after I move. My place is a mess right now. For everyone else, I'm back seeding. It should be going until at least the end of the week.
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2005, 03:47:08 AM »
you in chicago yet Matt?
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2005, 08:57:37 AM »
I'll be in IL 9/7 if all goes as planned. I'm leaving DC after Labor Day, staying with a friend in Cleveland overnight, then should make it up there the following evening.
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2005, 06:44:15 PM »
It doesn't look like anyone's tried to grab this in the last day or so. I'll consider it dead. I'm amazed at how even the voting turned out. I voted for the first option just to see the results, so subtract that. I guess at this level of gear, personal preference is really what matters. I'm interested in hearing comments from those who listened. If someone wants to give these files a more permanent home, that's cool with me. Read the key below and discuss. :)

*spoiler space in case you haven't listened to it yet*














A is the V3 ADC
B is the 722 ADC
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2005, 06:53:25 PM »
Matt, I cannot see the results.  I did not vote, which may be the reason.  Can you post the result summary?
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2005, 07:46:55 PM »
Matt, I cannot see the results.  I did not vote, which may be the reason.  Can you post the result summary?
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same i totally forgot to vote!!!
Microphones:
CCM4v (pair)
mk6 (pair) and mk41 (pair) with kc5's & cmc6's
mk21 (1) for those M/S situations

Preamps:
Sonosax SX-M2

Recorders:
Sound Devices 722
Edirol R-01

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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2005, 07:49:23 PM »
it's too bad that you put v3 and 722 in the choices...it would've been interesting if this was just a blind taste test.

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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2005, 08:07:04 PM »
track A is the V3 ADC and I like it better     - 3 (30%)
track A is the 722 ADC and I like it better    - 0 (0%)
track B is the V3 ADC and I like it better    - 2 (20%)
track B is the 722 ADC and I like it better    - 1 (10%)
unsure which is which but I like track A better    - 2 (20%)
unsure which is which but I like track B better    - 2 (20%)

Good point, Damon. There's always next time.
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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2005, 08:22:53 PM »
track A is the V3 ADC and I like it better     - 3 (30%)
track A is the 722 ADC and I like it better    - 0 (0%)
track B is the V3 ADC and I like it better    - 2 (20%)
track B is the 722 ADC and I like it better    - 1 (10%)
unsure which is which but I like track A better    - 2 (20%)
unsure which is which but I like track B better    - 2 (20%)

Good point, Damon. There's always next time.

+t to ya for running this comparision, although looks like a lot more people need to vote to get any kind of statistical meaning out of this...

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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2005, 09:18:12 PM »
I'm surprised that 5 out of 6 people picked V3 as being the ADC.  I didn't vote because I had already listened to the 722 ADC source before the comparison was out, so it wasn't a blind test for me.  I'd like to try this again in the furture with the KM14x instead of the 4023s just to see if the results are different with the different mics.

I would be interested to hear commentary as to why people liked a specific track best.   

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Re: V3/722 ADC comparison @ 24/96 - results posted!
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2005, 01:24:24 AM »
I felt like a total bitch that night.  I was the only one not running a 722 and the only one not FOB.

You fuckers are hard core compared to my ass. :P

I still pulled a great tape...IMO

Love the new rig, the Umphreys shows I just pulled from the Recher sound amazing.  And pulling anything from the funkbox with this type of rig is freaking incredible.  12' from the stacks you can hear such a difference between this and my old gear.  I know, a little off topic...sorry.

Thanks for posting the comp though man.
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