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Gear / Technical Help => Post-Processing, Computer / Streaming / Internet Devices & Related Activity => Topic started by: scb on October 27, 2005, 10:32:47 AM
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http://199.224.117.240/~scb/index.php?path=dvd-audiofile
YOU NEED JAVA INSTALLED TO USE THIS
This app should allow you to drop your wav files or flac files (flac preferred) to the file window and create a dvd-audio image (iso format).
in version 0.2 i added progress indicators.
version 0.3 now actually reads the file headers and displays times and disc size, so you should know how big the disc is. it also shows sample rate and bit depth. it also *should* stop you if you try to add files that are different bit depths/sample rates
version 0.3.1 - added clear button for the tracklist, added tracknumber. added "about" text
verison 0.4 added all 9 groups
please let me know if this does or doesn't work for you. it's barely tested, since i don't have many audio files here at work (and i'm a mac guy, not a pc guy! :) )
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thanks, I'll give it a spin tonight... quick question though - why does it prefer flac as opposed to wav?
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the underlying dvd-author tool packs pcm audio into .AOB files, which are the files in the AUDIO_TS directory that contain the audio data. it hangs on certain kinds of wav files if the header isn't what it expects.
with flac files, the header is standard (since flac made it that way when converting), so it can easily extract the audio data out.
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the underlying dvd-author tool packs pcm audio into .AOB files, which are the files in the AUDIO_TS directory that contain the audio data. it hangs on certain kinds of wav files if the header isn't what it expects.
with flac files, the header is standard (since flac made it that way when converting), so it can easily extract the audio data out.
OK, cool. Is it the same scripts that were used in the little .bat file that Sleepy made? It was choking for me when I tried .wavs b/c there were no flacs in the directory, so the "flac decoder" quit, thus quitting the whole process.
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i didn't use any scripts. the app is making all calls and doing all behind the scenes stuff itself
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i didn't use any scripts. the app is making all calls and doing all behind the scenes stuff itself
Awesome! I'm totally stoked to try it out! +T in 12. I'll let you know how it goes (later tonight, that is).
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ah, my little .bat file enjoyed its 5 minutes of fame before it was stomped upon by a GUI!
just joking, big thanks scott for getting this together!
(and yeah, to reply to your PM to me -- i got some weird crashes when i tried to exit the GUI, but other than that it looked okay to me.)
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what kind of crash? if i can get work done early today i might get time to play on this windows machine here
they keep piling on stuff that i have to do today though, so we'll see
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I tried this out earlier today and it seemed to work well. I had zero problems with it although I have yet to play it on a 24bit playback system to *actually* test it out. I'm assuming it works, though. What an improvement in ease of use to the DiscWelder products. Drop flac files in. Make Iso. Burn image in Nero. Play. Duh.
+T Scott, thanks for the app.
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please let me know if this does or doesn't work for you. it's barely tested, since i don't have many audio files here at work (and i'm a mac guy, not a pc guy!"
Hey Scott, do you have anything like this for us mac guys?
And thanks on behalf of us pc peeps to you and sleepy too!
Andrew
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pardon my premature e. . . post
I believe I've found the answers in other forums. .
Go Mac Geeks!
;D
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the mac version has all 9 groups and has been available for while now:
http://199.224.117.240/~scb/DVD-Audiofile0.5.2.dmg.tar.gz
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Thanks Scott! +T to both you and Suspect...from an DVD audio newbie!
I'll try it out tonight
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Thanks Scott! This looks awsome. Much easier then WaveLab.... I can't wait to try it out.
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all 9 groups. i think it works, but i didn't really have a windows machine to try on.
http://199.224.117.240/~scb/index.php?path=dvd-audiofile
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Not Found
The requested URL /~scb/dvd-audiofileDVD-Audiofile0.4.zip was not found on this server.
Have another link or should I try again later?
<edit> however I did manage to find it here: http://199.224.117.240/~scb/DVD-Audiofile0.4.zip </edit>
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Not Found
The requested URL /~scb/dvd-audiofileDVD-Audiofile0.4.zip was not found on this server.
Have another link or should I try again later?
<edit> however I did manage to find it here: http://199.224.117.240/~scb/DVD-Audiofile0.4.zip </edit>
that's the mac 0.4
win is here:
http://199.224.117.240/~scb/index.php?path=dvd-audiofile/
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Was I wrong in assuming that all the .zip's @ http://199.224.117.240/~scb/index.php were windows files and the .gz were Mac files?
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yeah :)
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excellent, another +T for all your efforts, Scott.
I am trying it out right now. 24/48 show, set 1 goes to group 1, and I put set 2 into group 2. I'm sure it'll work great, but I'll post if anything strange comes up.
now, with the full 9 groups, this is more functional than Discwelder Bronze. :)
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There is word out on using a still or montage in the video directories to assist in gapless playback on some machines.
Anyone know how to do this and if it works ?
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yeah, I have gaps on my playback, is this normal?... I'm a complete newbie with DVD-A so bare with me...
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It's a samsung (I don't have the model # with me) that supports nearly everything DVD-A, SACD, MP3, CD, DVD, etc...I assume the gap is in the image as I just mount the image using Scott's program and then burn the image with Nero to DVD...
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It's a samsung (I don't have the model # with me) that supports nearly everything DVD-A, SACD, MP3, CD, DVD, etc...I assume the gap is in the image as I just mount the image using Scott's program and then burn the image with Nero to DVD...
Samsung HD-841...that is the unit I had and it plays all DVD-As back with gaps...it is a buffer issue with those units. Also exists with the Toshiba 4960 (same unit, just rebranded)
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It's a samsung (I don't have the model # with me) that supports nearly everything DVD-A, SACD, MP3, CD, DVD, etc...I assume the gap is in the image as I just mount the image using Scott's program and then burn the image with Nero to DVD...
the image from my app has no gaps. if you have gaps, it's your player
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Works great here +T
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can't wait to check both apps out. +T for all your work
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It's a samsung (I don't have the model # with me) that supports nearly everything DVD-A, SACD, MP3, CD, DVD, etc...I assume the gap is in the image as I just mount the image using Scott's program and then burn the image with Nero to DVD...
Samsung HD-841...that is the unit I had and it plays all DVD-As back with gaps...it is a buffer issue with those units. Also exists with the Toshiba 4960 (same unit, just rebranded)
I have the toshiba 4960 and it is kind of random regarding gaps. I mentioned this in the other thread tho. If I add a DVD Picture track to the DVD-A disc when creating the DVDA in wavelab then I DO NOT get gaps in playback. I have tested it a bunch of times and it seems to "fix" the issue of gaps. Can you add a picture track using DVD-Audiofile ?
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Used it last night for Skalinder's 24bit MMJ FLAC and burned my first DVD-A ;D This program is just what a computer dope like me needed. I do have a gap issue with my Toshiba 4900 though. If adding a picture would fix this, that would be a great addition to the program.
Thanks Scott.
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the developer of the underlying command line program says he can't do any further development. putting picture support in would mean relearning c and coding something up
maybe i'll try to start with porting the app to java...
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maybe i'll try to start with porting the app to java...
Nothing like using a hammer to crack open a peanut. ;)
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i know i should learn c, or objective c, but i don't really care to
sue me :)
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the developer of the underlying command line program says he can't do any further development. putting picture support in would mean relearning c and coding something up
maybe i'll try to start with porting the app to java...
if you do go this route...drop me a line, I wouldnt mind helping...although I am C#, i know i can do java too..they are so damn close.
bj
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here's a little quirk or bug.
let's say I load tracks into several groups. if I hit the button to "clear all groups" the total time and disc size go to zero, as it should.
however, it I just hit the button to "clear this group", the total disc size does not drop down and remains what it was before. BUT, if I then add different tracks to any group, the total disc size will update to the correct size (basically, subtract the group that I just cleared, and then add back the tracks just added). does that make sense? am I being clear?
and, of course, once again for putting in the time and effort, it's a great little app :)
just burned a DVD-Audio disc at 16/44.1, with Phish 11/9/95 & 11/10/95 (it was about 500 MB too big to fit 11/11 on there as well). great way to listen to these shows on the 10th anniversary :)
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perfectly clear.
i'm not resetting the totals after a clear of a group. i'll fix tomorrow.
thanks
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yes and yes
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http://199.224.117.240/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.41win.zip
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your previous versio has been working great for me, what did you update/fix/improve upon for this one?
thanks, as always :)
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fixed that "clear bug" someone pointed out when you clear a group.
aslo added the buttons to the bottom
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fuck yeah! works great, nice app! and i'm listening to my first dvd-a right now... :drool:
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fuck yeah! works great, nice app! and i'm listening to my first dvd-a right now... :drool:
yeah, I've been burning DVD-A's non-stop for the past couple-a weeks...sounds sweet!
+T
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i don't believe it's the software, as it doesn't change the audio at all. but i can email the guy who wrote the command line program i'm using and see what he says
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Actually I just checked on my Pc and the dvd-rw plays fine through WinDVD.
So I'm guessing it's some buffer issue with the 4960? Any toshiba owners have
any problems? Does Discwelder essential take this same approuch when making
DVDA'S? By this I mean does it convert .wav files into .aob files?
yes, discwelder basically does the same thing. with discwelder, it does it all at once, that is, create the DVD image and then burns it. with this program, it leaves you with an image file (.iso) and then you burn it on your own. but it's the same format and, in theory, should be the same.
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I just created an Image with version .41 but when I burned the image to a DVD-RW, it would not play in my Standalone Toshiba or Sharp Players.
Also when I try to play the DVD in my PC, it just opens up a folder view with the Video_TS and Audio_TS folders ??? ???
The DVD Players say the DVD-A is unplayable :o
I'm using Nero 6.6.0.18
Thanks
jeff
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maybe the players don't like dvd-rws?
did you burn it as an image? or just burn it as files?
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for some reason, this prog will not work w/ .wav files for me. It just makes the folder and the .iso REAL fast, and they are like 1.5 meg?? Anyone else have this prob?? Seems fo work fine w/ flac's.
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
right because flac skips the unknown headers... gotcha.
is there an easy way to strip those headers out without going to FLAC?
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yes, do tell ;D
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i'll have to edit the C code for the command line program. one of these days i'll see if i can do it
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^bump for the 24-bit Dylan I'm downloading from Not Logged In...+T's
EDIT: could this be stickied for quick and easy reference?
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the links appear to no longer work. Anyone have the file handy they could throw up somewhere else.
TIA
Nick
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http://www.msu.edu/~buckeled/DVD-Audiofile0.4.zip
there ya go.
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i can't download the new version from the links on the first page
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0.4 is all i have, never grabbed 0.41.
0.4 does the trick until .41 gets put back up.
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The link to 0.41 on page 3 works just fine for me. I haven't tried the program yet but the download completes. I doubt I'm the only one who has no trouble accessing http://199.224.117.240/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.41win.zip ; of course if you aren't on a Windows box that link wont do you any good.
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Thanks Guys
Nick
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Is there a version of this (or something similar) for Linux boxes?
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the links appear to no longer work. Anyone have the file handy they could throw up somewhere else.
TIA
Nick
here's the directory i'll put the win and mac versions
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/index.php?path=dvd-audiofile/
as for a linux version, i don't have a linux machine to test it on, but i think i can compile a linux version as long as i have linux versions of dvda-author and mkisofs. i won't be at my place until tomorrow, but if i have time i'll spend an hour or so tomorrow night getting a linux version compiled. i don't *think* i need a linux box to compile it
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I get an error (something about a log file) when I try to install? ???
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what error?
and there is no install. it's just an unzip.
do you have java installed on your machine?
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HELP!!!!
I've made the ISO files. Now on to burning. I have Nero 6. In the folder I created, it give me two sub folders. A zip file (image) and another file (DVD), which has Audio ts and video ts. Whick do I use and what part of Nero to burn?
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In Nero 6 Ultra go into Nero Express(ive always used) and simply select Disc Image
it should be the last option
data
music
dvd video files
make an exact copy
disc image
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HELP!!!!
I've made the ISO files. Now on to burning. I have Nero 6. In the folder I created, it give me two sub folders. A zip file (image) and another file (DVD), which has Audio ts and video ts. Whick do I use and what part of Nero to burn?
well when it was done, it told you to delete the DVD folder and burn the .iso image :)
i've got a new version i'll post today or tomorrow that deletes the dvd folder automatically
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Thanks guys, got it now. One problem I had though creating the ISO file: if I selected all flac files at once, it put the last track on top. I had to enter each track individually to keep them in order.
+T
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Thanks guys, got it now. One problem I had though creating the ISO file: if I selected all flac files at once, it put the last track on top. I had to enter each track individually to keep them in order.
+T
did you start selecting them at the end
start w/ the last file and work towards the first file, this usualy solves that problem
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i have it sorting on filename. is it doing something different?
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All the files were in order. started from the beginning. I'll try it again with my next burn and report back.
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everything seems to be working fine now. thanks again for a great program.
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0.42 win up with naming of iso and delete of dvd dir built in
and i haven't tested it so let me know if it breaks
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stupid question from a new user. I burned the iso image using record now on my laptop as data but I can't get it to playback on my laptop. used a dvd-rw, which may be the problem or I don't have the software to playback?
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you def need dvd-a software to play it back. windvd or the like...
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thanls for the app and the info, now if I could only get it to work....
added .flac files in Group 1
created .iso
opened nero
burned .iso
will not play in WinDVD5, just the directories are brought up in Windows; will not play on Yamaha DVD player, reads disc then spits it out...
using Maxell DVD-R
burning @ 8kbps
2 coasters and counting....
i saw the threads concerning the dvd-rws, could this be the same problem. i am pretty sure i am doing everything correctly.
i have used the same dvd-rs w/ Audio DVD Creator w/ no problems at all
please help
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added .flac files in Group 1
created .iso
opened nero
burned .iso
that is the correct process
i have used the same dvd-rs w/ Audio DVD Creator w/ no problems at all
Audio-DVD-Creator actually creates DVD-Video discs. DVD-Audiofile creates DVD-Audio discs, which is a different spec.
will not play in WinDVD5, just the directories are brought up in Windows; will not play on Yamaha DVD player, reads disc then spits it out...
are you sure that your Yamaha DVD player supports the DVD-Audio format. if it doesn't explicitly say that it does, chances are your player cannot read that type of disc. and I'm not sure about WinDVD5. Does that support DVD-Audio discs?
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thanks Jason, i appreciate the input...
the yamaha supports DVD-A and also DVD-A's can e played back on my pc via windvd...
can't figure it out...
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did nero know to burn the iso as an image? or did it just burn the iso as a data file onto the disc?
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In Nero, there's a "burn image" command from a menu somewhere (don't have my PC up right now). I'm not sure if he used that, but if not, that would just burn the ISO as a data file.
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In Nero, there's a "burn image" command from a menu somewhere (don't have my PC up right now). I'm not sure if he used that, but if not, that would just burn the ISO as a data file.
in nero express(all i ever used)
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the yamaha supports DVD-A and also DVD-A's can e played back on my pc via windvd...
ahh, ok. good luck.
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thanls for the app and the info, now if I could only get it to work....
using Maxell DVD-R
burning @ 8kbps
2 coasters and counting....
FWIW I always burn at 4x...
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In Nero, there's a "burn image" command from a menu somewhere (don't have my PC up right now). I'm not sure if he used that, but if not, that would just burn the ISO as a data file.
in nero express(all i ever used)
Never used express. I've only used the full "Nero Burning ROM" program.
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thnaks fellas -
using Nero 6
in the menu - 'What would you like to burn?', i select disc image or saved project, find my iso image, and burn that...
will try some diff dvds, maybe that's the problem...
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when you put the burned disc in your comp drive, do you see the audio_ts and video_ts folders, or the image?
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the burned discs have the audio/video_ts folders in it, and the audio folder contains all the data
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I've downloaded the .41win and .42win files and both times there was no create iso button to be found anywhere. Any ideas? Am I completely missing something?
Thanks,
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore
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can you post a screen shot?
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Hi Scott,
Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to do that. I can drop flac files in without problems. It has every button except the 'create iso'. It also has shows total disc time and size when flac files are dropped in. If you'll post directions on how to do a screen shot, I'll gladly do it.
Thanks,
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore
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what's below the "total disc time" and "total disc size" and above the table of files?
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There's nothing there. I saw the screen shot from the original post from this thread and saw where the button was supposed to be. The file menu only has an 'Exit' function. The help menu only has the 'About DVD-Audiofile' info popup. Strange.
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore
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so it doesn't look anything like this?
(http://taperssection.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52892.0;attach=25297;image)
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what os version are you on?
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Scott,
I'm on XP. It looks just like your screen shot, only no groups dropdown menu and no create iso button. I'm leaving for CES tonight. I won't be back until Sunday or Monday. I really appreciate your help. I will check back with the thread when I return.
Peace,
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore
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Ya know, I'm using XP(bleh) and my screenshot looks like it should, however when I create the ISO it's recognized by XP as type "File" instead of image. Do I just add the .iso extension after that ??? or am I doing something wrong?
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is it not named .iso?
ifnot, just add .iso and you should be goood to go
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is it not named .iso?
ifnot, just add .iso and you should be goood to go
Cool, thanks!
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Scott,
Just wanted to say what a great little program this is. I tried it out last Friday (Win2k) and it worked great. I usually create them in wavelab but figured I would try this out. It is about as easy as could be and everything worked great.
I think it will be my choice when I want to burn DVD-A and not deal with creating menus and images for each track etc.
thanks again
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what is the point of creating groups?
i thought maybe i could create 2 disks at once, so made group1=disk 1 & group2=disk 2...but it looks like it made one huge 6+GB file, Obviously you cant burn 6GB :P
So, how does the Group work?
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Groups are necessary for combining different bit/sample rates on a single disc. Each group must have files of the same type in it.
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thanks Matt!
+T
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also, I like to put set 1 in group 1, set 2 in group 2. that sort of thing. it's not really necessary, and I've burned many DVD-A discs from discwelder with the whole show in one group (discwelder bronze only allows you to burn one group). but I like to split them up if I can. My DVD player allows me to skip tracks, or to skip whole groups. So if I want to go right to Set 2, instead of skipping ahead to track 13 or whatever, I can skip straight to Group 2.
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so you burn 1 big iso file? what if its more than 4.7gb?
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Then you can't burn it to a single-layer DVD. I made this mistake the first time I tried Scott's program. He's had some inconsistencies with size reporting, but it's within a few % of being correct based on what Nero reports.
Scott, if you're still taking requests: finding the exact max size the image can be and putting a warning "are you sure you want to create an ISO larger than *blah* MB/GB?" would be a nice addition. It's annoying to find that the image is too big and then have to wait to recreate the entire thing.
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so you burn 1 big iso file? what if its more than 4.7gb?
right, you can't do it if it's more than 4.7gb. most of the 24 bit shows I have are still at 24/48, and the whole show comes in under 4.7gb. for every 24/96 show that I have, each set gets a seperate disc.
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Hey Scott,
I've downloaded .4 / .41 / .42 versions and all downloads are missing the 'create iso' button. Any thoughts on what might be happening? ???
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore.
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Scott, re: Chris' problem ... could it be a java issue? Maybe he needs to download a new JVM?
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i'd still love to see a screen shot. if you hit "print screen" on your keyboard, it'll copy a screen shot to the clipboard. then just paste it into "paint", save the image and post it here
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Hey Guys,
My java is up to date. Here is the screen shot. Thanks for the help.
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore.
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what java version?
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Java Runtime Environment SE, v1.4.2
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Don't you have to add file(s) to get the create ISO button? If you add a file to the layout, it still doesn't appear?
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The 'create iso' button never appears. I used the 'add files' button at the bottom, fwiw.
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore.
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How much free hard disk space do you need, relative to the size of the ISO file that should result? I've tried creating some images and ended up with ISO files that were smaller than they should be and there were no error messages thrown that would indicate that something went wrong.
Also, can you mix flac and wav files in the same group?
What is the purpose of multiple groups? Is it like chapters in a video DVD? (Sorry for the clearly newb question.)
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multiple groups means you can have one group of 16/44.1 and one group of 24/96,, etc.(you cant mix and match sample rates within one group..all the files in one group have to be the same).or to use different groups for set changes.,yeah, sorta like chapters..
How much free hard disk space do you need, relative to the size of the ISO file that should result? I've tried creating some images and ended up with ISO files that were smaller than they should be and there were no error messages thrown that would indicate that something went wrong.
Also, can you mix flac and wav files in the same group?
What is the purpose of multiple groups? Is it like chapters in a video DVD? (Sorry for the clearly newb question.)
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So, I should be able to mix flac and wav in the same chapter as long as all sources are the same rate/resolution?
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I just tried that, Spark..
yeah it works.
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OK, then I must be trying to create a bigger image file than my computer's hard drivehas room to compile and that's causing it not to play. I'll just try a smaller compilation of material to ensure that the computer has enough scratch space as it compiles the image. Hopefully that will work. I'm still trying to figure out if any of my players will deal with DVD-A. My Philips deck (DVP 642) seems to accurately identify the disc as a DVD Audio disc, but then kicks it out. I don't know if it's supposed to play DVD-A or not. On the other hand, WinDVD is supposed to work with DVD-A discs and it does not even seem to recognize the disc I've burned.
So, I still have the question about how much extra room you need on a hard drive in order to successfully compile a full DVD-A. I'd appreciate any hints that you may have.
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I just tried that too. 2.45 gigs for the folder that contains the audio ts and video ts,..and 1.59 gigs for the .iso
5-6 gigs/??? ???
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The 'create iso' button never appears. I used the 'add files' button at the bottom, fwiw.
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore.
this still makes no sense to me. i'll try sending you a copy that moves it around to test some stuff out
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Thanks for your efforts, Scott. I'll keep an eye on the thread.
Chris
The 'create iso' button never appears. I used the 'add files' button at the bottom, fwiw.
Chris
Eugene Hi-Fi
Eugene, Ore.
this still makes no sense to me. i'll try sending you a copy that moves it around to test some stuff out
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OK, then I must be trying to create a bigger image file than my computer's hard drivehas room to compile and that's causing it not to play. I'll just try a smaller compilation of material to ensure that the computer has enough scratch space as it compiles the image. Hopefully that will work. I'm still trying to figure out if any of my players will deal with DVD-A. My Philips deck (DVP 642) seems to accurately identify the disc as a DVD Audio disc, but then kicks it out. I don't know if it's supposed to play DVD-A or not. On the other hand, WinDVD is supposed to work with DVD-A discs and it does not even seem to recognize the disc I've burned.
So, I still have the question about how much extra room you need on a hard drive in order to successfully compile a full DVD-A. I'd appreciate any hints that you may have.
As far as I can tell, you need twice the HD space as the resulting ISO to compile it. As in, if you are making a 4gig ISO, you need 8gig free space. It seems to generate the folder(say 4gig), then makes the ISO from the folder(another 4gig) then deletes the folder.
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OK, then I must be trying to create a bigger image file than my computer's hard drivehas room to compile and that's causing it not to play. I'll just try a smaller compilation of material to ensure that the computer has enough scratch space as it compiles the image. Hopefully that will work. I'm still trying to figure out if any of my players will deal with DVD-A. My Philips deck (DVP 642) seems to accurately identify the disc as a DVD Audio disc, but then kicks it out. I don't know if it's supposed to play DVD-A or not. On the other hand, WinDVD is supposed to work with DVD-A discs and it does not even seem to recognize the disc I've burned.
So, I still have the question about how much extra room you need on a hard drive in order to successfully compile a full DVD-A. I'd appreciate any hints that you may have.
As far as I can tell, you need twice the HD space as the resulting ISO to compile it. As in, if you are making a 4gig ISO, you need 8gig free space. It seems to generate the folder(say 4gig), then makes the ISO from the folder(another 4gig) then deletes the folder.
Exactly. It creates the audio_ts/video_ts folders from whatever compatible audio file you have loaded and then uses those 2 folders to create the .iso image.
So, if I'm using flac files, does it first unpack the flacs to wav, then use that to make the AUIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders, then create the ISO image? If that's the case, I guess you'd need approximately 1/2 the size of the flacs, plus twice the size of the resulting image.
Man, I need to get some of my video projects archived properly so that I have some room. It sounds like you really need about 12 G free in order to compile a full 4.7 G DVD if the source is flac, 10 G if the source is wav.
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So, if I'm using flac files, does it first unpack the flacs to wav, then use that to make the AUIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders, then create the ISO image? If that's the case, I guess you'd need approximately 1/2 the size of the flacs, plus twice the size of the resulting image.
Man, I need to get some of my video projects archived properly so that I have some room. It sounds like you really need about 12 G free in order to compile a full 4.7 G DVD if the source is flac, 10 G if the source is wav.
I don't think that's the case. I think the program can create the .AOB files (in the AUDIO_TS folder) directly from the FLAC files, without having to create the .WAV files first. So, for a 4.7 GB disc, you'd still only need twice that free.
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I think the DVD-A format supports 5.1 surround. Will this program do 5.1 surround? If so, how does that work? (Sorry if this is another newb question.)
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this will do stereo only
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Thanks, Scott. I figured that would be the answer, but I had to ask. +T
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Are there any group size limitations? A couple of times I put a whole show (~2hrs) in one group and it stopps playing after track 09...could be a playback issue...now I just throw 9 tracks in Group 1 and the remainder in Group 2...blank DVD's are so cheap now I have no problem throwing an entire show on one disc for playback, even though the other half of the disc is unused....+T to scott!
ps: I would love to see a size warning (entire disc or even group if applicable) pop up as well if possible
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99 tracks per group is the only limit on number of files. i've got a ton of discs with 20+ tracks in 1 group and they're fine...
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I was trying to grab the latest version and the server in the opening post seems to be having probelms. Got an alt download location?
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I've got it on my website as well, you can download it here:
http://24bit.turtleside.com/ (http://24bit.turtleside.com/)
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http://crush.epix.net/~scb/index.php?path=dvd-audiofile/
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+t Thanks everyone. Is this automatically gapless?
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yeppers. as long as your files are...
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yeppers. as long as your files are...
and as long as your playback is...
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It's a samsung (I don't have the model # with me) that supports nearly everything DVD-A, SACD, MP3, CD, DVD, etc...I assume the gap is in the image as I just mount the image using Scott's program and then burn the image with Nero to DVD...
Samsung HD-841...that is the unit I had and it plays all DVD-As back with gaps...it is a buffer issue with those units. Also exists with the Toshiba 4960 (same unit, just rebranded)
So I go through all the trouble of burning the DVD-A and get gapson playback. I have a Samsung HD-845, so I'm guessing I have the same probelm as other Samsund units. So I'm looking for reccomendations on a DVD player with DVD-A gapless playback support on a pretty tight budget. Here's a link to my post in the playback forum. +T again to everyone for the help with the 24 bit learning curve. This place kicks hiney!!
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=59320.0
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i have this one,and it works great for me...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009H7HAU/104-5224163-7187111?v=glance&n=172282&%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009H7HAU/104-5224163-7187111?v=glance&n=172282&%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)
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I also get gaps on playback with my Samsung HD841, but another member here (Teddy) says that he does not get such gaps with exactly the same model of player. Are DVD-A audio files supposed to be tracked at integer multiples of 1/75th of a second (multiples of 588 samples) like CDs are supposed to be? Or could this be because of the sample rate used? (My attempts have been with files that are 44.1 kHz, tracked at integer multiples of 588 samples.) I'm wondering whether phanophish's (and my) problems are due to the deck or whether they are due to the source material?
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i always cut my 24bit files with cdwav the same way I do 16bit files, but I don't think you neccessarily have to.
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i always cut my 24bit files with cdwav the same way I do 16bit files, but I don't think you neccessarily have to.
What sample rate are your 24 bit files?
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24/44.1
but i have a pioneer elite dvd/a player. *shrug* but everything i've put in it has been fine, even mine.
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I dont know what the deal is. Mine has been fine so far, as an additional player....got my fingers crossed itll stay fine.
i always cut my 24bit files with cdwav the same way I do 16bit files, but I don't think you neccessarily have to.
What sample rate are your 24 bit files?
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I dont know what the deal is. Mine has been fine so far, as an additional player....got my fingers crossed itll stay fine. i always cut my 24bit files with cdwav the same way I do 16bit files, but I don't think you neccessarily have to.
What sample rate are your 24 bit files?
Are you running region free firmware or factory installed firmware?
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Anyone interested in sending me a known gapless DVD-A to try on my HD841?
Anyone interested in trying a DVD-A that I burned to see if it plays gapless on their known gapless player? (Sorry, but my stuff is still 44.1 kHz @ 16 bit, but I'd still like to know if it works on a Pioneer machine in case I can't get this HD841 to work.)
What bothers me is that I'm seeing conflicting reporst about whether the HD841 does gapless playback. It makes me wonder if there's more to the story than just the model of player.
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A friend of mine owns one and his has gapless playback too. ???Color me puzzled. for the money it has already paid for itself.
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Where did you buy yours, Teddy? I've seen some posts on other message boards that suggest that the European versions are a different design than the ones sold in the US.
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ebay deutschland. ...I guess thats why!
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Well, looking back at some of those posts, the main difference in European vs. US versions has to do with firmware configuration. The European versions are programmed to default to PAL and the US versions are programmed to look for NTSC first. I can't imagine that that's the problem.
Still, there has to be something that's affecting whether or not the unit is gapless.
Seriously, I'd like to try out a DVD-A that someone else found to be gapless on a HD841 and see how it plays on mine. Anyone willing to loan me one? Anyone willing to try the DVD-A that I burned and see if it's gapless on their HD841? It may be that I'm not burning good DVD-A's. Whatever it is, I'd like to figure it out.
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scott-
the files for DVD-Audiofile are "not found" on your server. just wondering if there is any other way to get the install files - i'm excited to try this out.
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what link are you using? it's there
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.4win.zip
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that is working, but the link on the first page doesn't contain the files.
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the link on page 1 works fine for me
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the link works, but the files aren't there for me. are you hosting the site locally?
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files download fine for me
i'm in CT right now and that server is somewhere in PA, so it's not local...
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weird!
check it out:
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i can't read what that error message says...can you blow it up a bit?
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what link are you using? it's there
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.4win.zip
Scott, which do you recommend that Windows people use?
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.4win.zip (http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.4win.zip)
or
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.41win.zip (http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.41win.zip)
or
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.42win.zip (http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.42win.zip)
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larger image:
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weird..your browser is skipping a slash in there
get .42...the newest
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that is weird...i added the slash and it works great.
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tried to burn a dvd-a w/ .42 w/ 1644 files from sundays moe show and no-go, created a dvd-a file, but no ISO file ??? what do i do?
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tried to open in nero 6 ultra and said it was an unexpected file format ???
weird, its a dvd-a file, not an ISO at all ??? aND I CANT CHANGE THE EXTENSION, OR AT LEAST DONT KNOW HOW TO
damn caps lock
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one more thing, in .42, the dvd folder was still there fatre the supposed ISO was created ???
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what do you mean it created a dvd-a file? it should create a DVD folder and then an iso off of it
i had a newer .42 here
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.42.1win.zip
that'll delete the dvd folder on its own
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what do you mean it created a dvd-a file? it should create a DVD folder and then an iso off of it
i had a newer .42 here
http://crush.epix.net/~scb/dvd-audiofile/DVD-Audiofile0.42.1win.zip
that'll delete the dvd folder on its own
it was weird, in the folder i created, there was a dvd folder and a dvd-a file
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did the same thing, what java are ya'll using? got a link?
I have java runtime 1.4.2.12 installed
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what do you mean a dvd-a file? a file called dvd-a?
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Just curious, can DVD-Audiofile handle working with .cue files? for example, if I drop a large .wav/.flac file in there into a group, can I tie it with a .cue file so that it cuts the file prior to creating the .iso.
thanks for this program Scott, i look fwd to making my first DVD-A disc soon.
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what am i doing wrong? i took one set of files, dumped them into DVD-audiofile and created an .iso. first of all, the flac24 folder is 1.22GB, and the resulting .iso is 3.8GB. does that sound right? i burned the image in nero6 is a dvd-rom(udf/iso) and the resulting disc doesnt play in my player. if i try to burn it as dvd-rom(iso), it says the image is larger than 2GB and i need to burn as a udf/iso. i also tried it in roxio, burned fine, but doesnt play in my denon 1920. i made a 24bit dvd-a using this program back in july, burned fine, and played fine in the same unit, but i can remember if i did something different back then.
thanks in advance
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how big are the wav files when you decompress the flacs?
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how big are the wav files when you decompress the flacs?
it was less than 3GBs if i remember correctly.
is dvd-rom(iso) the right type of disc to burn? is udf/iso acceptable for burning the image?
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less than 3 gigs as wav, but 3.8 as an iso? that seems a bit strange to me
can you try creating the image again? maybe flac choked on something strange? i really am not sure
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i can't seem to get to the link for audiofile "xp"
any help? thanks scott for doing this.
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the box is down and i'm waiting for someone to reboot it
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I also host DVD-Audiofile on my server. you can download v0.42 here (I think that's the latest):
http://24bit.turtleside.com/ (http://24bit.turtleside.com/)
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Thanks Jason and Scott
I downloaded it again and same thing is happening
"Authoring AUDIO_TS directory "
and hangs there. could it be the flac 24/48 files are bad? Or is it something in the program i need to do different?
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how long did you give it?
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Sorry, a bit to quick on the post. It took longer then i remembered, but works.
Somewhere along the line my original ISO that i was working on must have been deleted. I had a particlular show that wasn't working, the size of the ISO was 1.3mg, after redoing the ISO it was 2.3gb
this one works fine.
That being said, can i or should i delete any of the folders associated with the DVD Audiofile folder?
As i read it i can delete the dvd folder?
Thanks
George
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Thanks Jason and Scott
I downloaded it again and same thing is happening
"Authoring AUDIO_TS directory "
and hangs there. could it be the flac 24/48 files are bad? Or is it something in the program i need to do different?
i've had this problem the last 2 times i've ran audiofile. the first time it ran overnight and was hung up on that screen. last night i let it run 30mins to no avail. FWIW i was dumping 3 groups of 24/44 wav files.
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I can tell you that the 2.3 gb file took about 10mins. Before it went real quick, instantly almost, but was a bad ISO. I've been told it takes a lot to compute and not to run anything else while burning. No tech help sorry.
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i could never get this to work, it would never write an ISO image for me ??? but now that i think of it, i think it wouldve worked if i just changed the file extension......
hmmmm, might have to give this a try tomorrow......
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
right because flac skips the unknown headers... gotcha.
is there an easy way to strip those headers out without going to FLAC?
I have the same problem like Scooter ("for some reason, this prog will not work w/ .wav files for me. It just makes the folder and the .iso REAL fast, and they are like 1.5 meg?? Anyone else have this prob?? Seems fo work fine w/ flac's.")
I don't know how to go to FLAC. Any idea?
Thanks, Noam
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It's a samsung (I don't have the model # with me) that supports nearly everything DVD-A, SACD, MP3, CD, DVD, etc...I assume the gap is in the image as I just mount the image using Scott's program and then burn the image with Nero to DVD...
Samsung HD-841...that is the unit I had and it plays all DVD-As back with gaps...it is a buffer issue with those units. Also exists with the Toshiba 4960 (same unit, just rebranded)
I have the toshiba 4960 and it is kind of random regarding gaps. I mentioned this in the other thread tho. If I add a DVD Picture track to the DVD-A disc when creating the DVDA in wavelab then I DO NOT get gaps in playback. I have tested it a bunch of times and it seems to "fix" the issue of gaps. Can you add a picture track using DVD-Audiofile ?
I get gaps with the audio-DVD creator program with DENON 2910 and with Panasonic S55. Together with the Samsung and Toshiba above, what else remains without player buffer issues? Does this mean I will get gaps with this (DVD-audiofile) program on the same players? DVD-A's a friend burns using wavelab and DiscWelder Steel are gapless on my DENON 2910 and with Panasonic S55.
Noam
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I get gaps with the audio-DVD creator program with DENON 2910
Noam
Not questioning your skill with the authoring process, but are you sure that you have the program configured correctly? I have gapless playback on every DVD player I've tried with the discs I've authored using audio-DVD-creatored. I have a Denon 2900 that has never has a problem with those discs.
Most of these programs have a gapless configuration setting that may not be the default.
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I get gaps with the audio-DVD creator program with DENON 2910
Noam
Not questioning your skill with the authoring process, but are you sure that you have the program configured correctly? I have gapless playback on every DVD player I've tried with the discs I've authored using audio-DVD-creatored. I have a Denon 2900 that has never has a problem with those discs.
Most of these programs have a gapless configuration setting that may not be the default.
Yes, I'm sure the program is configured correctly, and these same DVD's play gapless on some other DVD players. As you can read in some posts from last year further back in this long thread, a number of posters here get gaps and I haven't seen the issue resolved in this thread. I am intrigued by these posts from SparkE from last year:
"I also get gaps on playback with my Samsung HD841, but another member here (Teddy) says that he does not get such gaps with exactly the same model of player. Are DVD-A audio files supposed to be tracked at integer multiples of 1/75th of a second (multiples of 588 samples) like CDs are supposed to be? Or could this be because of the sample rate used? (My attempts have been with files that are 44.1 kHz, tracked at integer multiples of 588 samples.) I'm wondering whether phanophish's (and my) problems are due to the deck or whether they are due to the source material?"
and
"Anyone interested in sending me a known gapless DVD-A to try on my HD841?
Anyone interested in trying a DVD-A that I burned to see if it plays gapless on their known gapless player? (Sorry, but my stuff is still 44.1 kHz @ 16 bit, but I'd still like to know if it works on a Pioneer machine in case I can't get this HD841 to work.)
What bothers me is that I'm seeing conflicting reporst about whether the HD841 does gapless playback. It makes me wonder if there's more to the story than just the model of player."
Noam
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"Anyone interested in sending me a known gapless DVD-A to try on my HD841?
Anyone interested in trying a DVD-A that I burned to see if it plays gapless on their known gapless player? (Sorry, but my stuff is still 44.1 kHz @ 16 bit, but I'd still like to know if it works on a Pioneer machine in case I can't get this HD841 to work.)
What bothers me is that I'm seeing conflicting reporst about whether the HD841 does gapless playback. It makes me wonder if there's more to the story than just the model of player."
Noam
The consensus seems to be that if you add pictures, then the HD841 is gapless, no matter where you split the tracks. BTW, no one contacted me with any offer to let me try a gapless DVD-A and I'm too much of a tightwad to go out and buy a program to add pics to a DVD-A compilation, so I still have not convinced myself that the HD841 can be gapless. It's too bad that DVD-Audiofile does not do pics, but it's great that Scott made the program freely available. That's a great donation to this community that he's made and he certainly has my respect for doing so.
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The consensus seems to be that if you add pictures, then the HD841 is gapless, no matter where you split the tracks.
Adding pictures to which program (since the DVD-Audiofile doesn't do them)? My ADVD-creator created video-DVD's have pics added and have gaps. I think I'll get the DiscWelder bronze - Noam
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The consensus seems to be that if you add pictures, then the HD841 is gapless, no matter where you split the tracks.
Adding pictures to which program (since the DVD-Audiofile doesn't do them)? My ADVD-creator created video-DVD's have pics added and have gaps. I think I'll get the DiscWelder bronze - Noam
Well, DVD-Audio Solo seems to be that way. See this thread:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.msg825404.html#msg825404 (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.msg825404.html#msg825404)
In fact, read the whole thread. This subject has been beaten nearly to death, mostly by me:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.0.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.0.html)
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The consensus seems to be that if you add pictures, then the HD841 is gapless, no matter where you split the tracks.
Adding pictures to which program (since the DVD-Audiofile doesn't do them)? My ADVD-creator created video-DVD's have pics added and have gaps. I think I'll get the DiscWelder bronze - Noam
Well, DVD-Audio Solo seems to be that way. See this thread:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.msg825404.html#msg825404 (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.msg825404.html#msg825404)
In fact, read the whole thread. This subject has been beaten nearly to death, mostly by me:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.0.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,61602.0.html)
This is from the Introduction to DiscWlder Bronze, about the issue of gaps that bothered me. It sort of explains it:
"Pause Between Tracks: A pause before a selected track plays, if desired, is set under the Track Properties (right-click on the Track name, click on “Properties”) as a “Pause” in milliseconds.
There is, however, a very short space (under a few hundred milliseconds) automatically added before some tracks by some DVD-A players. >:(
Gapless Tracks: BRONZE lets you specify that adjacent tracks with identical Track parameters play without a gap or pause, i.e. ”Gapless”, in all currently-manufactured DVD-A players." :)
Noam
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
right because flac skips the unknown headers... gotcha.
is there an easy way to strip those headers out without going to FLAC?
I have the same problem like Scooter ("for some reason, this prog will not work w/ .wav files for me. It just makes the folder and the .iso REAL fast, and they are like 1.5 meg?? Anyone else have this prob?? Seems fo work fine w/ flac's.")
I don't know how to go to FLAC. Any idea?
I had a similar issue on the Mac. Going to Flac was the ONLY way to make it work properly. As Scott mentioned it has to do with the application writing additional information in the header that the program can't deal with.
Wayne
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
right because flac skips the unknown headers... gotcha.
is there an easy way to strip those headers out without going to FLAC?
I have the same problem like Scooter ("for some reason, this prog will not work w/ .wav files for me. It just makes the folder and the .iso REAL fast, and they are like 1.5 meg?? Anyone else have this prob?? Seems fo work fine w/ flac's.")
I don't know how to go to FLAC. Any idea?
I had a similar issue on the Mac. Going to Flac was the ONLY way to make it work properly. As Scott mentioned it has to do with the application writing additional information in the header that the program can't deal with.
Wayne
I just burned my first DVD-A with DiscWelder Bronze and it's not only gapless - the sound quality of the identical 24/48 files is better when burned into DVD-A than when burned into audio-DVD with ADVD-creator - Noam
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
right because flac skips the unknown headers... gotcha.
is there an easy way to strip those headers out without going to FLAC?
I have the same problem like Scooter ("for some reason, this prog will not work w/ .wav files for me. It just makes the folder and the .iso REAL fast, and they are like 1.5 meg?? Anyone else have this prob?? Seems fo work fine w/ flac's.")
I don't know how to go to FLAC. Any idea?
I had a similar issue on the Mac. Going to Flac was the ONLY way to make it work properly. As Scott mentioned it has to do with the application writing additional information in the header that the program can't deal with.
Wayne
I just burned my first DVD-A with DiscWelder Bronze and it's not only gapless - the sound quality of the identical 24/48 files is better when burned into DVD-A than when burned into audio-DVD with ADVD-creator - Noam
???? I don't really understand why this is the case. With DVD-V containing audio, is your player actually outputting 24/48?
Kudos for finding something that works for you! FWIW, I can't tell the difference between a 24/48 DVD-A and 24/48 DVD-V. I think they should be identical, just different formats.
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Nice work on this Scott. I finally joined the 24 bit world and it's all working nicely.
I tried to put set 2 in a second group but my player won't skip straight there from the end of group one. Is that normal? I just gave up and put them both in on group in the end but I'm wondering if I missed out on something? Thanks.
Os: WinXP
Burner: Sony (model # escapes me now)
Player: Marantz DV7600
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Nice work on this Scott. I finally joined the 24 bit world and it's all working nicely.
I tried to put set 2 in a second group but my player won't skip straight there from the end of group one. Is that normal? I just gave up and put them both in on group in the end but I'm wondering if I missed out on something? Thanks.
Os: WinXP
Burner: Sony (model # escapes me now)
Player: Marantz DV7600
my denon player just stops after group 1.
but on the remote, there's a button that's called "search mode"
pressing that button toggles between "Track" mode and "group" mode. so I can skip a track at a time, or a group at a time.
I don't know if that's the way it's supposed to be, but your player certainly isn't alone in the way it handles multiple groups.
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it won't work on wavs with non-standard headers. but it'll work on any flac file
right because flac skips the unknown headers... gotcha.
is there an easy way to strip those headers out without going to FLAC?
I have the same problem like Scooter ("for some reason, this prog will not work w/ .wav files for me. It just makes the folder and the .iso REAL fast, and they are like 1.5 meg?? Anyone else have this prob?? Seems fo work fine w/ flac's.")
I don't know how to go to FLAC. Any idea?
I had a similar issue on the Mac. Going to Flac was the ONLY way to make it work properly. As Scott mentioned it has to do with the application writing additional information in the header that the program can't deal with.
Wayne
I just burned my first DVD-A with DiscWelder Bronze and it's not only gapless - the sound quality of the identical 24/48 files is better when burned into DVD-A than when burned into audio-DVD with ADVD-creator - Noam
I had the same problem with ADC and gaps with my 2910, switched to Disc welder bronze and everythings cool. I think it sounds better to.
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so you just burn the .iso image to a dvd-r? My panasonic didn't recognize the image, am I missing something?
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so you just burn the .iso image to a dvd-r? My panasonic didn't recognize the image, am I missing something?
you don't burn the iso the the dvd per se...
You load the iso into the burning software and the burning software should know what to do from there.
If you start off with a compilation and drag the iso into that, the software will burn it as a straight up iso..
Make sense? Sorry hard to explain I use Nero for one so I can't speak for all burning applications.
But Nero has an option to load an .ISO image and it goes from there...
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so if you load set 1 into group 1 and set 2 into group 2 are there two .iso images made or 1? as in does it do both groups into 1 .iso image?
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so if you load set 1 into group 1 and set 2 into group 2 are there two .iso images made or 1? as in does it do both groups into 1 .iso image?
it creates 1 iso for all the groups
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it all goes on 1 disc. where different groups can come in handy is if you wanted to put some 24/96 in 1 group and say 16/44.1 in group 2. you can't put different sample rates in the same group, but different groups can have different sample rates
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I'm really confused, I put set 1 in group 1 and set 2 in group 2, then hit create .iso and it made the .iso file. I burned it to a dvd-a and only set 1 was on the dvd-a, where did set 2 go? I realize I must be confused somewhere but I just don't see where I missed it. The wavs of set 1 and set 2 are 5.44 GB so naturally it won't fit on one dvd-a. Can someone help me make the connection?
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how big was the iso that it made?
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i noticed that if 2 groups will not fit on one dvd, then you will have to create each group for each disk....a normal 24/96 show will not fit on 1 dvd
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how big was the iso that it made?
4.1 GB
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i noticed that if 2 groups will not fit on one dvd, then you will have to create each group for each disk....a normal 24/96 show will not fit on 1 dvd
meaning you create 2 .iso images?
I tried that and it created another image but not a powerISO image??
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yeah, 2 different images. put set 1 tracks in group 1 and create the iso and burn that. then put set 2 in group 1 and create another iso and burn that.
just like a 2 cd show, this will have to be a 2 dvd show
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is .42 still the latest version for windows?
Scott I wasn't able to download from any of your links (just an fyi) but thank you still for the development.
Jason thank you for mirroring the software as I was able to grab it off your site.
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Is the Windows version still available anywhere online? I can't locate it.