Topic: spaced cards...

[BWolf]

thinking about splitting some cards from the loge for mule at the beacon one night.  anyone have any experience?  tips or tricks?

[stirinthesauce]

thinking about splitting some cards from the loge for mule at the beacon one night.  anyone have any experience?  tips or tricks?

Buy some 43's and split those 

Only tip I can give on splitting cards is point and shoot.  Never been to the beacon so I don't know if this is a good or bad idea, BUT, no better way than try.    I'm sure other tapers will be there so in case you blow it.  In  fact, this is the kinda of situations where I like to try new patterns/caps/techniques.  Go for it!   

[Chuck]

I have done this. My experience is that it would be best to keep the split around two to four feet. I split cardiods a few times and to my ears, it sounded best with that spread. I ran a 30 foot split at Cal Expo for the Grateful Dead one time, because the SBD area effectively blocked the center position. So I ran one mic on one side of the borad and another on the other side of the board. 30 feet in that application was way too much. Let us know what you do decide on, and report back how you think it sounded.

[BWolf]

yeah, i was thinking 3-5 feet split...

what about the position of them.  straight at the stage (in parallel) or pointed at the stacks?

[Chuck]

I've pointed them at the outside of the stacks.

[BWolf]

bump.

anyone have any experiences with this?

[thegreatgumbino]

This show was recorded with 4022's, but they were split 24' and it sounds great, IMO.  I say go for it, Brad.

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

[Chanher]

and, yes, absolutely try it!

yeah document the details of your technique, then report here with samples!

[Brian Skalinder]

This show was recorded with 4022's, but they were split 24' and it sounds great, IMO.  I say go for it, Brad.

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

Just wanted to point out this is a split card stack recording, not split cards from an ambient audience location:

mics split 24' and hung from each side of the balcony
aprroxiamately 4' from each stack all FOB

[thegreatgumbino]

This show was recorded with 4022's, but they were split 24' and it sounds great, IMO.  I say go for it, Brad.

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

Just wanted to point out this is a split card stack recording, not split cards from an ambient audience location:

mics split 24' and hung from each side of the balcony
aprroxiamately 4' from each stack all FOB

Doh!  Good catch, Brian.  +T

I remember reading that as well, but spaced when I posted obviously.

[Todd R]

I haven't done it for awhile, but I made some nice split card recordings.  I always split the mics about 3', don't think I'd go for much more spacing than that as 3' gave a plenty spacious and defined soundstage.  I ran split cards in places that would've been bad for cards in a typical DIN or ORTF pattern, like under the balcony at the Landmark in Richmond or at the back of DAR Constitution hall in DC.

I found it to be an excellent way of getting good recordings with good soundstage definition while helping eliminating room reverb, etc from bad sounding rooms/taping locations.

I haven't done any A-B card recordings in a few years since I've had hypers at my disposal, but now that I'm back to just cards and omnis, I might try it again.

Anyone have any experience with 4ch mic mixes with a center XY (or DIN) pair of cards mixed with a pair of A-B cards?  I've tried that just once with my new Milab VM44 Links XY in the center and SP C4 cards split 3'.  Came out good -- I liked that 4ch mix more than the straight XY card 2ch recording I made that night.

[scb]

Scott Brown mentioned a recording from the balcony of the Beacon (?) with 4022's spaced at the balcony lip, straight-forward. The results were supposed to be very impressive.
hearsay, but you might ping him about it.

i've run split at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC.  i did it for the 2-2-05 Warren Haynes and Friend's show and i think it sounds pretty nice

[kskreider]

I think that Paul tried to run split cards some at Rockygrass this year.  I think that his handle here is paulrennix.  Shoot him a PM and see if he'll float you a couple of samples.

[Krispy D]

i've run split at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC.  i did it for the 2-2-05 Warren Haynes and Friend's show and i think it sounds pretty nice

split as in one on each side of the balcony area that juts forward from the sound board?!  that's a huge split!  did you set up on one side or the other or in the middle?  how much mic cable can you get away with before you run into a delay in signal?  sorry for all the ?'s that just put a picture in my head...

[scb]

i've run split at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC.  i did it for the 2-2-05 Warren Haynes and Friend's show and i think it sounds pretty nice

split as in one on each side of the balcony area that juts forward from the sound board?!  that's a huge split!  did you set up on one side or the other or in the middle?  how much mic cable can you get away with before you run into a delay in signal?  sorry for all the ?'s that just put a picture in my head...

i had one microphone on each side of the board (clamped to the first vertical iron bar on the outside left and outside right of the board).  i actually ran the cables around the side to my gear in the middle behind the board.  so the pre/ad/laptop were center behind the board.  i got away with 17 feet of cable, though it barely made it

at least i think that's how i did it.  i might have actually run the bag with pre/ad on the right side and just run a really long firewire cable to my laptop in the back of the board.  i know that's what i did for warren solo in june of that year