Topic: Mounting Cards (Stealth)

[carlito1980]

Hi everyone,

I wonder who you all mount your card microphones (Chruch Audio).
Do you use a baseball cap?
Or dou you have got good and easy ideas?

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

 

[mfrench]

Idea:
Don't talk about stealth.  Don't talk about stealth. Don't talk about stealth.

[genesisoh]

STEALTH!  Oh, Mr. Lambert just put a bucket over his head again ...

[adrianf74]

What they all said...     The rule that applies to "Fight Club" also applies to stealth.  Just be creative, that's the only advice I'm gonna offer.

[flipp]

Hi everyone,

I wonder who you all mount your card microphones (Chruch Audio).

I do it myself as it is way too expensive to fly Chris here to mount them for me.

Do you use a baseball cap?

Only as a last resort when I can't find the usual hat I wear when I mow the lawn.

Or dou you have got good and easy ideas?

Yes, I do. Thank you for asking.

[carlito1980]

And that is what you call newbie friendly?

[Scooter123]

Newbie Friendly for everything except Stealth. 

[owainturner]

They like to feel important and jumping on new people gives them a power-trip... Saying that the whole 'don't talk about stealth' is all over this forum and even a new poster should have noticed that stealth techniques are only to be discussed via PM.

Simply look at what you're wearing and where you can place mics... higher-up the better. It really is that simple...  If you have Chris's CAFS then this is anywhere... if your using larger mics then it's a little more difficult.

[flipp]

It's not that I like to feel important as much as I like people to ask intelligent questions rather than a blanket how do I do _______, especially if they offer no indication of having done anything other than post their question.

For tips on how to ask a question where you stand a reasonable chance of getting some useful responses I suggest reading http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .

[Belexes]

And that is what you call newbie friendly?

Talking too much about stealth makes this a venue security friendly board.

There has been a lot of this going around as of late here. Have people been referred here from others along the lines of "Want to know how to stealth, go here: http://taperssection.com " ?

[F.O.Bean]

And that is what you call newbie friendly?

Talking too much about stealth makes this a venue security friendly board.

There has been a lot of this going around as of late here. Have people been referred here from others along the lines of "Want to know how to stealth, go here: http://taperssection.com " ?

Thats what it seems like, no?

[owainturner]

It's not that I like to feel important as much as I like people to ask intelligent questions rather than a blanket how do I do _______, especially if they offer no indication of having done anything other than post their question.

For tips on how to ask a question where you stand a reasonable chance of getting some useful responses I suggest reading http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .

Please accept my apologies. :-) 

[shadowfax1007]

At the risk of being hounded like the OP, I'm after some -creative- suggestions on mounting cardioids when stealthing.
I'm not new to this, taped numerous gigs, but I prefer to run my AT831's and am going to be taping a show at a high security gig next week.
Hats and croakie mounts are ruled out for me. Hence why I'm asking for some creative suggestions. Can't take a bag in either, so no mics hidden in shoulder straps like i've done before.

Biggest problem is keeping the mics directional and remaining hidden.

PM responses please, keep it off the board.

[Cheesecadet]

At the risk of being hounded like the OP, I'm after some -creative- suggestions on mounting cardioids when stealthing.
I'm not new to this, taped numerous gigs, but I prefer to run my AT831's and am going to be taping a show at a high security gig next week.
Hats and croakie mounts are ruled out for me. Hence why I'm asking for some creative suggestions. Can't take a bag in either, so no mics hidden in shoulder straps like i've done before.

Biggest problem is keeping the mics directional and remaining hidden.

PM responses please, keep it off the board.

Why keep it off the board when you already listed a bunch of things you've already tried???    If you were so concerned with keeping things off the board you should have done so yourself.

I'm a fan of stealthing and do so often, however, it is not rocket science.  You all should be able to figure something out on your own!

[shadowfax1007]

Forget I asked.

[George]

pm sent.

[genesisoh]

Sent PM as well.

[shadowfax1007]

Thanks for the proper replies I got in PM's.

[palmbear1]

New to this forum and have been reading many subjects for the last month.
I went with the Sony PCM-M10 and SP-CMC-8 (c/o) set up. Thinking of adding a set of 853sc with abapters.
I have read alot about different card patterns. As per this topic I don't want to know how to stealth the mics.
I'm looking for information. Will a card or sub card work in an A B config? For me an A B would be easier then the other patterns to stealth. What pattern do people use when in stealth mode and using cards?

 Thanks for any info

[su6oxone]

Will a card or sub card work in an A B config? For me an A B would be easier then the other patterns to stealth. What pattern do people use when in stealth mode and using cards?

I used A-B for awhile back in the day but found that the recordings sounded a bit 'flat' and 'hollow' and essentially mono since the A and B are not separated by very much distance.  I would recommend trying to get a bit of angle between the mics (I usually used 90 degrees) to get a richer, more full sounding recording.  Hopefully this helps without giving away any 'trade secrets'... 

[it-goes-to-eleven]

[hoppedup]

For all those people having trouble figuring out stealth, I can give a couple of hints on how to get your gear in and mount up:

Put a false bottom in your drool bucket and stash the gear in there. They will NEVER check there.

Get a bib and place the mics under that.

If the door guy questions the redundancy of the bucket and the bib, tell him you use the bucket for storage when the bib fills up so you don't have to miss any of the show.

I apologize if I've revealed too much on a public forum.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

Just for future reference, Warner Theater already knows about the drool bucket trick.

[Fried Chicken Boy]

And I've gotten popped using the bib technique at a few Live Nation venues.  Even using a pacifier as a diversionary tactic didn't help.

[achalsey]

So I don't stealth but actually did just google 'drool bucket' thinking it was some hat slang I didn't know about.  Didn't find anything except actual buckets for drool, so reread the post and realized I'm just an idiot (and obviously without kids).   

[palmbear1]

I used A-B for awhile back in the day but found that the recordings sounded a bit 'flat' and 'hollow' and essentially mono since the A and B are not separated by very much distance.  I would recommend trying to get a bit of angle between the mics (I usually used 90 degrees) to get a richer, more full sounding recording.  Hopefully this helps without giving away any 'trade secrets'... 

Thanks for the info, Depending how stealth I have to be, I will give the 90 degress a try with the cards, and if I have to go A-B I'll run the sub-cards that I just ordered.

For the folks with the drool bucket info, I hope your joking.

[su6oxone]

Thanks for the info, Depending how stealth I have to be, I will give the 90 degress a try with the cards, and if I have to go A-B I'll run the sub-cards that I just ordered.

No prob.  Here's one '007' (*wink, wink*) recording I did with the mics at 90 degrees (it says 'DIN' on the info but that's not quite true) about 7 cm apart (I'm estimating).  Aside from the wind rumble, the quality of the recording is pretty good.  Of course, it's an outdoor recording, which helps.

http://www.archive.org/details/llb2009-05-16.mk4.flac16

And here's another 007 recording (of the same band) that is A-B, also about 7 cm apart, and done in a kind of shed-like venue (roof but no walls, on a slope).  This is hardly a great comparison, with different venues, mics, etc., but it does give you perhaps a little sense of the difference.

http://www.archive.org/details/llb2008-08-12.km184.flac16

And here's a 007 recording (of a different artist) that is also A-B and about 7cm apart but done at an outdoor festival also, so kind of a better comparison perhaps.  It also sounds reasonably good, but lacks the 'full sounding' quality of the first recording. 

http://www.archive.org/details/jj2008-08-09.km184.flac16

[absnj]

And I've gotten popped using the bib technique at a few Live Nation venues.  Even using a pacifier as a diversionary tactic didn't help.

Then try a colosotmy bag... also good in case of metal detectors.

[BlindGuyEars]

I knew a girl who stealthily mounted a microphone once... she said it felt just like a Telefunken U47.

[acidjack]

And here's another 007 recording (of the same band) that is A-B, also about 7 cm apart, and done in a kind of shed-like venue (roof but no walls, on a slope).  This is hardly a great comparison, with different venues, mics, etc., but it does give you perhaps a little sense of the difference.

http://www.archive.org/details/llb2008-08-12.km184.flac16

And here's a 007 recording (of a different artist) that is also A-B and about 7cm apart but done at an outdoor festival also, so kind of a better comparison perhaps.  It also sounds reasonably good, but lacks the 'full sounding' quality of the first recording. 

http://www.archive.org/details/jj2008-08-09.km184.flac16

Hehe,  with the 184s.  I'm sure you got some funny looks for whatever headgear you may or may not have been wearing.   

[su6oxone]

Hehe,  with the 184s.  I'm sure you got some funny looks for whatever headgear you may or may not have been wearing.   

Surprisingly, I actually looked fairly normal with the help of some right angle XLRs with skinny cables.  It was not very comfortable though. 

[OldNeumanntapr]

STEALTH!  Oh, Mr. Lambert just put a bucket over his head again ...

'Now we have to stand in the tea chest until noon!'