Author Topic: 483 Mic config ?? (Read 6723 times)

momule · « **on:** January 27, 2005, 05:21:28 PM »

Ok Imagine Running 483 >D-mod UA-5 >JB3 ,

Gov't Mule In a Nice sounding theater ,
12th row (which will turn out to be about 30-40ft from the stage )
DFC .
Would you run XY, DIN , ORTF?

Ive confused myself now with these Hypers. Ive been running cards ~~Cheap~~ superlux Knockoff's (samson CO2's).
I assume the 483's will be "sorta" bright , so Im worried XY will loose to much of the that "Low end" Mule sound , Which I love

But worry that ORTF will create a "center" Gap in the Image

So is it the ever faithful DIN ?

TIA
Nick

Np. Muletracks 12-27-04, Slackjaw

fozzy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2005, 05:26:52 PM »

DINa - thats how i run mine usually [17cm/90 deg]

momule · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:06:37 PM »

thanks for the input.
+t to ya.

Nick

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:34:22 PM »

or DIN will work, that seems like a prime spot for either dina or din

momule · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:42:53 PM »

Quote from: Bean on January 27, 2005, 06:34:22 PM

or DIN will work, that seems like a prime spot for either dina or din

whats the dif in DINA & DIN?

nickgregory · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:44:11 PM »

3 cms...DIN is 20cm DINA is 17CM...DINA is generally for hypers....DIN can leave a hole in the middle of the soundstage with hypers

Mojowill · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:48:14 PM »

Yeah I have been pretty happy with 90 deg. and whatever distance they are as long as it looks fairly even to my eye.
Good luck

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #7 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:54:14 PM »

Quote from: Mojowill on January 27, 2005, 06:48:14 PM

Yeah I have been pretty happy with 90 deg. and whatever distance they are as long as it looks fairly even to my eye.
Good luck

Bingo, same here

heath · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2005, 07:48:57 PM »

go with DIN or a variation of DIN. Are those my 483's?

momule · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2005, 07:59:01 PM »

yup.
Jason dont really "tape", He's more of a front row kinda guy , He does however own some taping Gear

Including your "old' 483's .
He has transfered enough old Mule DATs in the last 6 months that he said a couple weeks ago while having a couple of cold ones talking about taping the upcoming mule show. "If I ever buy a nice set of mics it will be a set of 480's".... And yours came up on the board the next day so I put ya together , glad everything worked well with each other. and another +t to ease the pain of having to give them up..

were gonna give um a run tomorow eveing on a friend of ours local gig.

then Off to the Mule here in KC on 02-11 and then in columbia 2-17

Nick

momule · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2005, 08:03:34 PM »

Quote from: Mojowill on January 27, 2005, 06:48:14 PM

Yeah I have been pretty happy with 90 deg. and whatever distance they are as long as it looks fairly even to my eye.
Good luck

so Is it more important for the 90 deg or the 17 cm or both.

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2005, 08:27:21 PM »

Quote from: powerboat man on January 27, 2005, 08:03:34 PM

Quote from: Mojowill on January 27, 2005, 06:48:14 PM
Yeah I have been pretty happy with 90 deg. and whatever distance they are as long as it looks fairly even to my eye.
Good luck

so Is it more important for the 90 deg or the 17 cm or both.

degrees is more important IMO

Kevin · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2005, 09:49:07 PM »

I usually run mine DIN or modDIN just depending on where I am.

jacallery · « **Reply #13 on:** January 28, 2005, 04:42:24 AM »

For 480's it all depends on the room. Don't worry about losing bass if you us ethe hypers.
If you are FOB look at the ceiling. If you have a high shitty acoustic ceiling that is still a
reflection so use hypers, a short well difffused ceiling use cards. Definitly use the AKG's.
They are best run DINa hypers, DIN cards. If a place is boomy use XY, or use a mod DIN
with about a 70degree angle. Never would I use AKG's ORTF, it just takes away from the mid-high range
that the AKG's lack IMHO. But what do I know

callery
on the gap that people talk about, unless you have a very good playback system, this will not be as
much an issue. I think alot of people are scared to use wide angles b/c of hearing a gap, spacing will
be more of an enemy in this idea

T.J. · « **Reply #14 on:** January 28, 2005, 11:40:30 AM »

i'm still new to mic configs too, and i was just wondering why XY would be preferred in boomy rooms callery? n00b here and i was just curious...thanks

MarkDavidson218 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2005, 12:06:26 PM »

how good of a bay back system are we talking here? i have a pair of klipsh sp-2 for my left and right and klipshs back and center wtih an audio source sub.
thanks,
mark

jacallery · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2005, 01:09:07 PM »

From an old thread on Oade board.........

xy and other coincident configurations align the capsules so that all
sounds, direct or reflected, reach each capsule at the same time.
this gives you perfect phase coherency. this phase coherency tends
to make the midrange and high end sharper and more defined, but what
you perceive relatively is less low end.

any near coincident configuration results in phase incoherencies.
phase incoherencies give you less midrange and HF energy (or more
low end energy, in relative terms), and are interpreted by the ear
as spaciousness or diffuseness, aka boominess.

callery

d5 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2005, 02:21:39 PM »

Quote from: powerboat man on January 27, 2005, 05:21:28 PM

Ok Imagine Running 483 >D-mod UA-5 >JB3 ,

Gov't Mule In a Nice sounding theater ,
12th row (which will turn out to be about 30-40ft from the stage )
DFC .
Would you run XY, DIN , ORTF?

Ive confused myself now with these Hypers. Ive been running cards ~~Cheap~~ superlux Knockoff's (samson CO2's).
I assume the 483's will be "sorta" bright , so Im worried XY will loose to much of the that "Low end" Mule sound , Which I love

But worry that ORTF will create a "center" Gap in the Image

So is it the ever faithful DIN ?

TIA
Nick

Np. Muletracks 12-27-04, Slackjaw

ORTF would definitely give you a hole in the middle of the image with the 483's. I don't think that ORTF (17mm & 110 degrees) is appropriate for hyper's no matter what.

T.J. · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2005, 02:28:23 PM »

callery and d5,
what both of you said definitely makes sense. if i remember correctly ORTF is at 110 degrees, which wuld create a gap with hypers. DIN from a 70 degree angle sounds interesting

+t for the both of you for input and ideas.

momule · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2005, 03:27:08 PM »

+T to the thread . thanks for your help.

Gonna try the 70 degrees tonight at a friends gig and see how It sounds. I will be closer tonight with a much lower ceiling this evening. Should be intresting.

Have a great weekend
Nick

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2005, 06:34:37 PM »

Quote from: powerboat man on January 28, 2005, 03:27:08 PM

+T to the thread . thanks for your help.

Gonna try the 70 degrees tonight at a friends gig and see how It sounds. I will be closer tonight with a much lower ceiling this evening. Should be intresting.

Have a great weekend
Nick

well, howd she turn out

momule · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2005, 07:42:09 PM »

Quote from: Bean on January 30, 2005, 06:34:37 PM

well, howd she turn out

well I had the goggles on so..... ,But she makes a mean breakfast skillet..

Oh you meant the recording

let me see if I can post a sample.
Enjoy.
Nick

§†∑∫åµÞ≥¥ · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:16:48 PM »

Definitely 'xy' from that close. Mule tends to be pretty bassy... also many theaters are bassy... and 'xy' tends to eliminate some of the unnecessary bass overload on the recording. I taped STS9 (super bassy) from 15' back with my 463's and the tapes sound great!!

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:59:26 PM »

ehh, up close is he only time id use xy, other than REAL close, i hate it

YMMV

jacallery · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2005, 02:49:06 PM »

The sample sounds nice. Nick, what did you think of 70deg. compared to your 90deg.
recordings? Have you done any DIN 90deg from the same spot?

callery

momule · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:38:57 PM »

Quote from: jacallery on January 31, 2005, 02:49:06 PM

The sample sounds nice. Nick, what did you think of 70deg. compared to your 90deg.
recordings? Have you done any DIN 90deg from the same spot?

callery

I have not had the mic long enough to run but one show with them , I will be taping the same band in the same Venue from the same spot this Friday and will prolly try 90 deg this time around.

Now ya'll got me worried, cause like someone said the Mule tends to be a bit heavy on the bottom end heavy for my ears . so Im now contemplating XY aswell to roll off some of the bass.

I'll prolly run 70deg for the Uptown (2-11) show , as the acoustics are pretty good there.
And may try Xy for the Columbia (2-17) show. As I dont remember the Blue note having really good sound and kinda Boomy from what I remember

Thanks for the help Guys.
Nick