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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: joeruny on October 17, 2005, 12:19:48 PM

Title: Neuros III
Post by: joeruny on October 17, 2005, 12:19:48 PM
I emailed Neuros and found out the Neuros III is due out in the first quarter of 2006.  Should be sweet...
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Brian Skalinder on October 17, 2005, 12:24:30 PM
Should be sweet...

For...what?  Any idea on features / specs?  Didn't see anything on the Neuros website, though I didn't look very hard.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: rdvdijk on October 17, 2005, 12:25:29 PM
I emailed Neuros and found out the Neuros III is due out in the first quarter of 2006.  Should be sweet...

It's still not sure whether this one will have S/PDIF input, right?
http://www.theneuros.com/index.php/Category_Roadmap:Neuros_III

Roel
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: eric.B on October 17, 2005, 12:27:24 PM
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Supports MP3, WMA, OGG, Audible

is that it?
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: eric.B on October 17, 2005, 12:33:06 PM
ahh thanks..

Basic Specs
Product type -- One-piece USB 2.0 HD (as opposed to the "backpack" concept)
Storage 1.8" 20 GB, 40GB & 60GB Hard Disk drive
Supported Formats -- WAV, MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, Audible, and more
Dimensions -- Expected to be slightly larger than the size of a fourth-generation iPod
Outputs -- Headphone and S/PDIF digital audio out
Inputs -- Microphone
Battery -- See below.
Battery Life -- Around 12 hours (manufacturer's estimate)
Display -- See below.
Included Accessories -- Belt Clip, Arm Band, Binaural Earbud Headphones (not white!)
Cable(s) included -- USB cable
Audio Quality
Here's what we have

Burr Brown ADC-DAC capable of 24 bit audio at 96KHz
a separate PLL to generate the sample rate clock
S/PDIF (output yes, input- TBD)
LINE-IN for recording (requires an external mic pre-amp)
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: cmoorevt on October 17, 2005, 01:07:25 PM
That site seems to have some conflicting information.  It lists all the audio qualities, such as the Burr Brown ADC-DAC, but also says this:

"What is it not?

Trying to do too many things is always a formula for disaster so it's worth noting some things that the Neuros 3 is not

it's not a replacement for a professional digital recording device, there are already a large number of products that serve this market well:

from Head-fi forums: there are already some high-end types from edirol, marantz, and m-audio."


Odd.  Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: joeruny on October 17, 2005, 01:20:36 PM
It's looking pretty good thus far:!!  ;D
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Kush on October 19, 2005, 11:16:04 AM
Regardless of what features the Neuros III ends-up having, its nice to see a company take their time to "work out the bugs" a little bit and push back the release date a few times to "get it right" unlike some other companies who just want to get the product on the store shelves.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: prof_peabody on October 19, 2005, 11:41:28 AM
Slashdot is running an article on this today.  They neglected to link the neuros wiki and it appears there are no audio geeks who post over there (most of the comments are useless banter about ogg).

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/19/012249&tid=100&tid=137

and the obligatory linux devices coverage:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7231044963.html

Any comments on the ADC that they are praising?
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Cooker on October 19, 2005, 11:48:56 AM
well it uses Burr-Brown chips, so that's something.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: prof_peabody on October 19, 2005, 11:50:06 AM
well it uses Burr-Brown chips, so that's something.

any experiences with these chips?
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: mmedley. on October 19, 2005, 11:53:39 AM
well it uses Burr-Brown chips, so that's something.

any experiences with these chips?

They are used in the Squeezebox devices, and too many other devices to name. It is a very decent chip.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Cooker on October 19, 2005, 11:54:23 AM
i liked your comments about it on /. professor.    i know a couple other ts'ers are slashdot readers but, by and large the bulk of the posters over there have no frickin clue.

i don't have any direct experience with burr-brown chips but if i remember correctly, many of the a/ds we all use use them.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: prof_peabody on October 19, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
i liked your comments about it on /. professor.    i know a couple other ts'ers are slashdot readers but, by and large the bulk of the posters over there have no frickin clue.

i don't have any direct experience with burr-brown chips but if i remember correctly, many of the a/ds we all use use them.

Uh, thanks.  It was a shoot from the hip post to try and start a little informed discussion over there.  I don't read or post to threads much anymore these days over at /.; most of the posts are useless (one reason why TS is a site I check regularly, so much informed discussion).

I've managed to hold of on the microtrack for now.  The Neuros may be the way for me to go (sort of a consumer grade 722).

+t to a bunch of people
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Chanher on October 19, 2005, 01:04:56 PM
so with open firmware the right mind could get this to accept 24/96 through spdif?
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Cooker on October 19, 2005, 01:44:48 PM
i don't see why not.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Brian Skalinder on October 19, 2005, 03:07:42 PM
so with open firmware the right mind could get this to accept 24/96 through spdif?

I don't see why not.  But considering no right mind stepped up to the plate to deliver artifact-free analog-in on the Neuros II, I wouldn't count on it happening.  And that's nothing specific to the Neuros devices - I wouldn't count on anything we want happening in the open source community, unless specifically a taper makes it happen.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: Chanher on October 19, 2005, 04:16:57 PM
so with open firmware the right mind could get this to accept 24/96 through spdif?

I don't see why not.  But considering no right mind stepped up to the plate to deliver artifact-free analog-in on the Neuros II, I wouldn't count on it happening.  And that's nothing specific to the Neuros devices - I wouldn't count on anything we want happening in the open source community, unless specifically a taper makes it happen.

good point about needing a taper to get this done the right way.

what I need to do is step away from the boards for a few months so we can get all these new recorders sqaured away. it seems like everytime I come here I get the urge to pick up something new!  :)
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: prof_peabody on October 19, 2005, 06:52:18 PM
A guy from Neuros is posting responses to comments over at the slashdot.  I'll try to lure him here.   >:D
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: rowjimmy on October 25, 2005, 03:24:36 PM
[quote link=topic=52269.msg680632#msg680632 date=1129568845]
"Trying to do too many things is always a formula for disaster so it's worth noting some things that the Neuros 3 is not

it's not a replacement for a professional digital recording device, there are already a large number of products that serve this market well:

from Head-fi forums: there are already some high-end types from edirol, marantz, and m-audio."
[/quote]

I think they are erroneous in suggesting that there are a large number of products. 3 or four does not a large number make.
Lack of s/pdif iput a brick does make.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: prof_peabody on October 25, 2005, 03:43:11 PM
[quote link=topic=52269.msg680632#msg680632 date=1129568845]
"Trying to do too many things is always a formula for disaster so it's worth noting some things that the Neuros 3 is not

it's not a replacement for a professional digital recording device, there are already a large number of products that serve this market well:

from Head-fi forums: there are already some high-end types from edirol, marantz, and m-audio."

I think they are erroneous in suggesting that there are a large number of products. 3 or four does not a large number make.
Lack of s/pdif iput a brick does make.
[/quote]

S/PDIF input may still make the final cut:

S/PDIF (output yes, input- TBD)

http://www.theneuros.com/index.php/Category_Roadmap:Neuros_III#Audio_Quality

Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: thegreatgumbino on October 31, 2005, 02:48:27 PM
This could actually be pretty sweet.  If their MSRP is $ 330 (20gb)/ $ 380 (40gb) actual selling price should be cheaper.  If it got to around $200 retail, had s/pdif in, supports flac and 24/96, this could be a sweet storage device!
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: phr on November 27, 2005, 01:08:50 AM
This pair of comments from neuros blog might be of interest:

http://open.neurosaudio.com/node/123#comment
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: eric.B on November 27, 2005, 01:33:56 AM
This pair of comments from neuros blog might be of interest:

http://open.neurosaudio.com/node/123#comment

nice update  +t
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: johnw on November 27, 2005, 12:01:09 PM
It would be very nice if they could include the digital input. It would be huge if it didn't resample the digital input.
Title: Re: Neuros III
Post by: OFOTD on December 01, 2005, 12:06:52 PM
Just jumped on this thread thanks to thegraciousgumbino   :)

Interesting details and I love the wiki board they are publishing.  Seems like we really are at the front door of a new age in recording gear. 

All I want is a reliable 24/96 RECORDER with a SPDIF RCA input..  Don't need pre-amps, mic-in's, adc's or anything fancy.

+T's on this product all around guys.