Recently switched from standard sat. DISH box to an HD model, did not realize we would lose s-vhs output only has HDMI, RGB(yellow, blue, green) and RCA vid. outputs, we like to record into a stand alone hard drive/ dvd burner with PCM sound, only has s-vhs-RCA composite ins plus firewire for dvc (digital vid. camcorders), we record a lot of music off t.v., (late night musical guests, pbs, etc.), hate going from 450 lines to 200 or so, it also has RGB outputs,(red,green, blue) but a conversion off that to s-vhs maybe difficult but would be helpful, or any way to go from HDMI to firewire or s-vhs without imbedded sound?Recording even normal t.v. programing is being made very difficult by the powers that be, they are all in bed together for sure! I know that they don't want people to pirate copywritten material digitally but i'm actually degading the signal by going from 1080i to 450 and willing to just take the audio off the RCA's.Also prob. would buy a separate dvd recorder if RGB or (ha!)HDMI inputs were available.Prob. can find a program for our computer, but really would ike to keep this to stand alone units. The only other option I have is I have a pro pansonic S-vhs model that may have RGB inputs via a 24 pin input on back, believe I have the Pinout code, almost a last resort though. I realize we are all waiting for hi def dvd or blu- ray recorders here in the states, evid. they are available outside of U.S.By the way, does anyone know what compression (dolby?P.C.M.?) they (DISH)are sending audio out in?It's a shame as most of what we get are only played once or twice and then go in a vault none of us will ever see.