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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: Weirdness on November 19, 2006, 06:33:18 PM
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Howdy all!!!
I haven't had a chance to listen to any DPA402X>V3 tapes yet and am wondering what the general concensus is of this combo. Right now I'm running 4023>V2>AD500e which works very well but weighs in pretty heavy for what I'm having to carry around. The V3 is a much more streamiline way to go but I'm afraid that the ultra transparancy of the V3 might make for more sterile/analytical sounding tapes rather than the more lush sound that I am getting right now. Any insight is appreciated...
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I am happy with the 4023>V3 recordings I've made. What are you running into?
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Running into a Marantz PMD-671(stock). Not too worked up about running 24 bit and I honsetly haven't tried running V2>the 671 in 24 or 16 bit mode but have considered that option as well for trimming down. I've heard some people flaming the ADC on the V3 so I was curious to know if anyone found this to be a bad match, too dry type thing.
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I don't know anything about the PMD-671 but I would certainly try running just the V2 into it before you get a V3. I ran Neumann > V3 > DAT for a few years and I always loved the silky 16-bit sound, especially after coming off the SBM1. But after comparing the 24-bit V3 digi > 722 against V3 line > 24-bit 722 , I believe that the 722 ADC sounds best. You might find that the PMD-671 ADC is good. You should try it and run 24/48 if you aren't into doing the full 24/96. The V3 vs 722 comps I did were all at 24/96 and teh difference was clear. I can check my discs, but I think I've only run the 4023 with the V3 as preamp and not as ADC. I never found the 4023>V3 combination to be strident or analytical. It always sounded smooth to me. I expect it sounds just like the 4023>V2.
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I've never ran this combo, but the tapes I've heard I prefer the V3 over just about any pre with the 4022s. The silkiness of the V3 really brings out the best in those mics.
To echo Lil' Kim though, try running without the AD2K in the chain - I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised, and your back will thank you for it too.
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P{ete, def try the v2>line-in 671 sound, i bet its def sweet and saves your bag, plus, how long will the ad500e be around? not forever, thats for sure
i would bet that 4023>v3 sounds great too, i really like that sound peter, always smooth and consistent tapes IMO, make jason give you a few of his ;)
and if you sell the v2, sell it to me, i need one for my arsenal :) and an aerco if you run by one ;D
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P{ete, def try the v2>line-in 671 sound, i bet its def sweet and saves your bag, plus, how long will the ad500e be around? not forever, thats for sure
i would bet that 4023>v3 sounds great too, i really like that sound peter, always smooth and consistent tapes IMO, make jason give you a few of his ;)
and if you sell the v2, sell it to me, i need one for my arsenal :) and an aerco if you run by one ;D
pre slut - ha ha - it's the way to be....
Agreed with all of the rest, the 402x>V2 is a great analog front-end (or V3 analog out)
If you like the adc of the Marantz (and if you got it from the Oades) a basic mod (rca line-in upgrade) might work out very well...
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Thanks for the info guys, muchly appreciated. Might just decide to keep the rig as is for awhile until the Apogee gives up the ghost. Definitely a pain to lug around but it's a solid combo all the same. When you see someone running out of a camera bag it definitely gets the gears turning...
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I run the 671 and have used the a/d stage in it running line in and have been VERY happy with the results. I'm just guessing, but I would think that v2>671 would smoke the v3. The a/d section in the v3 sounds brittle and etched to me, I've always liked the v2>ad of choice better than any of the v3 tapes I've made; all just my opinion of course.
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This is exactly what I was wondering. I'll have to get ahold of Jason Ho's moe. down tapes to do a comp with my own rig and see what the scoop is before deciding on all this. Cash better spent on the playback system for right now methinks. Thanks again...
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another thing, sell me the v2 and buy a v3, then you could run v3>xlr>671 line-in vs. v3>digi-in>671 and see what you like better yourself ;)
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Hey Pete I ran this rig for a while.Very hard to beat fob in a good sounding room or taping a nice PA outdoors imo.In rooms were the sound isnt so good I didnt care to much for the 4023'>V3.I ran a m148 for rooms that needed a little color.The 40xx's are my favorite cards for sure and would still be running them if I could have affored to keep them after purchasing some mk41's(my favorite hyper capsule).If your just looking drop the weight of the AD-500 and your not worried about 24 bit right now I would grab a Oade modded SBM-1.I have always found it to be very similar to Apogee's AD sound.Plus I like the V2>(mod)sbm-1 a little more than the V3 by its self.I probually wont be using mine anytime soon so your more than welcome to borrow it and try it out for yourself.
Brent
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Some of my 4022>V3 pulls. (for better or worse :P)
Sorry, can't really give objective comparisons to different A/D's as this and 4022>USBPre are all I have run, but I would definitely not call it a warm sounding rig. Balanced a bit on the bright side, seem to be quite neutral overall.
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ooh, I was NOT happy with this combo, other than in very good acoustic environments. And even then, I got zero warmth. I had the V3 for about 2 months and got rid of it to run 148>mme behind the dpas, and was a lot happier. I'm also not a huge fan of ANSR for 16 bit. I think that all changes if you run analog out of the v3 into the ADC of your choice, or even a 722 or modded HD-P2.
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Virtually all 40xx>>V3 recordings that I have heard are pretty much spot-on accurate
well, except proximity, but that's just a card
I know that someone on the board will call me on this, but that's what I hear
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Howdy all!!!
I haven't had a chance to listen to any DPA402X>V3 tapes yet and am wondering what the general concensus is of this combo. Right now I'm running 4023>V2>AD500e which works very well but weighs in pretty heavy for what I'm having to carry around. The V3 is a much more streamiline way to go but I'm afraid that the ultra transparancy of the V3 might make for more sterile/analytical sounding tapes rather than the more lush sound that I am getting right now. Any insight is appreciated...
borrow a v3 and do a simultaenous 4023>v3 and 4023>v3 analog out>500e. pretty much guarantee you won't want the v3 after that...I did that comp and sold my v3 the next day. :P
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I bet DPA > V2 > Mytek Stereo 192 would sound great, and probably real similar to what you are used to with the Apogee sound right now. The Mytek has the warmth and punch you are looking for, and the V2 will provide all the detail that those DPA's are so famous for.
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i don't think the mytek is warm at all
Michal at mytek says he designed the stereo192 to be as transparent as possible
but yeah, 4022 (or 4026!) > v2/v3 > mytek is nice :)
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i don't think the mytek is warm at all
really? I think it is real similar to the warmth of the AD-1000, or maybe it's the "umph" that I confuse with warmth. Or possibly I'm hearing more of my Sonosax when combined with the Mytek. Either way, I think the mytek is the finest ADC on the market for our purposes.
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i don't think the mytek is warm at all
really? I think it is real similar to the warmth of the AD-1000, or maybe it's the "umph" that I confuse with warmth. Or possibly I'm hearing more of my Sonosax when combined with the Mytek. Either way, I think the mytek is the finest ADC on the market for our purposes.
but worth carrying mics+pre+adc+recorder, i dunno...... i guess folks still lug mics>v2>ad2k>lappy around so what do i know
why cant mytek and grace team up and make the sweetest setup out there ??? :)
duh, just put 2 and 2 together, this is the brian p i know from biscuits tapes, aka brian porter, i tell you what, his latest bisco with schoeps>sax>mytek is ROCKIN, it is honestly tempting me to sell the sax+akg and buy some mk4/41's>lemosax and somehow sell a kidney to afford the mytek ;D If i wasnt diggin my last 483>sax>722 bisco tape, i would maybe do it >:D
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you've already sold three kidneys, bean.
hmmm, youre right :hmmm:
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i don't think the mytek is warm at all
really? I think it is real similar to the warmth of the AD-1000, or maybe it's the "umph" that I confuse with warmth. Or possibly I'm hearing more of my Sonosax when combined with the Mytek. Either way, I think the mytek is the finest ADC on the market for our purposes.
but worth carrying mics+pre+adc+recorder, i dunno...... i guess folks still lug mics>v2>ad2k>lappy around so what do i know
why cant mytek and grace team up and make the sweetest setup out there ??? :)
duh, just put 2 and 2 together, this is the brian p i know from biscuits tapes, aka brian porter, i tell you what, his latest bisco with schoeps>sax>mytek is ROCKIN, it is honestly tempting me to sell the sax+akg and buy some mk4/41's>lemosax and somehow sell a kidney to afford the mytek ;D If i wasnt diggin my last 483>sax>722 bisco tape, i would maybe do it >:D
:o 8) ;D I keep telling you Bean - we're coming for you >:D