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Title: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow + mixing two sources
Post by: Brian Skalinder on September 02, 2006, 05:52:27 PM
While Audacity's a great free audio editor, I think the best value (price / performance) comes with Samplitude SE:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,62294.msg1049403.html#msg1049403

A whopping €50 gets you far more advanced features, better interface, better sound, ability to handle plugins, etc.  Please note it's a slightly steeper learning curve, though.



Edit to add:  Thanks to morst for a write-up on how to mixing two sources in Audacity (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,103031.msg1373822.html#msg1373822).



Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow

Audacity's documentation (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/onlinehelp-1.2/) isn't stellar (though it isn't terrible), and most of the online help or tutorials aren't really focused on the needs of tapers, nor did they answer some fundamental questions I had about how Audacity functions.  So, I've toyed around with Audacity to make sure I know how it works for my purposes, and here's what I've found.  I thought others might find this useful...

Preferences

I won't bother with most of the preferences, since they generally don't apply to the actual processing of files.  The only tabs in which I'm interested for this discussion:  Quality and File Formats (partial).  Here's a breakdown on each of the applicable fields in each tab:

Quality

File Formats

Audacity Project

What is an Audacity Project?  It's simply a collection of audio files one wishes to edit.  It's similar to Wavelab's Edit Waveform or Montage view, or Adobe Audition's Edit Waveform or Multitrack.  Whereas Wavelab and Audition have different interfaces for editing a single stereo file v. multiple files, Audacity uses the same interface for both:  the Project.  Any files open within the Project when exporting to WAV are mixed together into a stereo WAV output, just as within Wavelab's Montage or Audition's Multitrack views.  Note:  Audacity requires all files in the Project share the same sample rate.

Audacity Project Settings

The Audacity Project view is the main space in which one edits WAVs.  Relevant settings one may configure on a Track by Track basis and accessed via the upside-down black triangle next to the Track name:

Sample Format Uncovered

What's with all these different Sample Format settings?  I don't understand why there are so many!  Pretty straightforward, actually.  There are really three sample formats to consider:



Examples

Let's take a few examples...

16-bit Source File, 16-bit Final Format - Simple Editing / Portions Only

Edit a 16-bit source file in the 16-bit realm and save the edited file in 16-bit as the final format.  Since the edits apply to only small portions of the file, perform edits in the 16-bit realm  (instead of 32-bit) to avoid needlessly dithering the unedited portions of the file from 16-bit to 16-bit.


16-bit Source File, 16-bit Final Format - Complex Editing / Whole File

Edit a 16-bit source file in the 32-bit realm and save the edited file in 16-bit as the final format.  Since the edits are either complex or applied to the whole file, it's beneficial to perform the edits in the 32-bit realm and then dither down to the 16-bit final format.


24-bit Source File, 24-bit Final Format - Simple Editing / Portions Only

Edit a 24-bit source file in the 24-bit realm and save the edited file in 24-bit as the final format.  Since the edits apply to only small portions of the file, perform edits in the 24-bit realm (instead of 32-bit) to avoid needlessly dithering the unedited portions of the file from 24-bit to 24-bit.


24-bit Source File, 24-bit Final Format - Complex Editing / Whole File

Edit a 24-bit source file in the 32-bit realm and save the edited file in 24-bit as the final format.  Since the edits are either complex or applied to the whole file, it's beneficial to perform the edits in the 32-bit realm and then dither down to the 24-bit final format.


24-bit Source File, 16-bit Final Format - All Cases

Edit a 24-bit source file in the 32-bit realm and save the edited file in 16-bit as the final format.  Even though the edits apply to only small portions of the file, perform edits in the 32-bit realm since we're dithering down to 16-bit final format, anyway.


24-bit Source File, 24- and 16-bit Final Formats - Simple Editing / Portions Only

Edit a 24-bit source file in the 24-bit realm and save the edited file in both 24- and 16-bit as the final formats.  Since the edits apply to only small portions of the file, perform edits in the 24-bit realm (instead of 32-bit) to avoid needlessly dithering the unedited portions of the file from 24-bit to 24-bit; for the 16-bit final format, dither applies to the whole file, anyway.


24-bit final format

16-bit final format


24-bit Source File, 24- and 16-bit Final Formats - Complex Editing / Whole File

Edit a 24-bit source file in the 32-bit realm and save the edited file in 24-bit as the final format.  Since the edits are either complex or applied to the whole file, it's beneficial to perform the edits in the 32-bit realm and then dither down to both the 24-bit and 16-bit final formats.


24-bit final format

16-bit final format


Sample Rate Conversion / Resampling

To resample from one sample rate to another (e.g. 48 kHz to 44.1 kHz), simply insert the following step before the final Export to WAV step in the above examples:

Changing the WAV File Header's Sample Rate (not Sample Rate Conversion...see above)

Use this option if there's a mismatch between the sample rate at which the data is stored and the sample rate of the WAV files's header.  Symptom of this not uncommon problem:  the WAV file plays back quite clearly "fast" or "slow" relative to what one expects.  A file recorded at 48 kHz with a 44.1 kHz WAV file header will sound slow, while a file recorded at 44.1 kHz with a 48 kHz WAV file header will sound fast.

Perform the following operations to remedy the problem:




Thanks to aberg for these comments via PM:

Quote from: aberg
I've found one glitch with audacity. If you try and 'export to multiple', which I do using labels to track out a show, and at the same time, dither and resample, the files don't process properly. The first 3 seconds of track 2 for example, ends up at the end of track 1. You might want to experiment with this and then post a follow up to your workflow document. Great work as always though...
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow
Post by: Brian Skalinder on March 09, 2007, 11:05:40 AM
Made a couple corrections (thanks RaZoRbAcK!), couple clarifying tweaks, and added a section on changing the WAV file header.  :)
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow
Post by: flipp on March 09, 2007, 12:03:12 PM
If this isn't already in the archive (I haven't looked yet<edit, checked - didn't see it>) could it also be posted there?
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow
Post by: FLDEADHEAD on November 06, 2007, 12:06:42 AM
Just wanted to say Thank you Brian for this workflow.!
Needless to say, You Rock and appreciate the time you put into help me/us "Dummies"...
Used Audacity for the first time converting 24/48 to 16/44.1
I see 1900 reads on this thread and felt no one really Thanked you here as I am sure many before me used this workflow..
Woo Hoo.!!
Happy Tapin  8)
+T
Peace,
Larry

Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow
Post by: calvinroots on November 06, 2007, 09:58:46 AM
YES I...let me thank you too my friend
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow
Post by: morst on February 10, 2008, 10:10:52 PM
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# High-quality Dither - Controls how Audacity dithers when exporting to WAV (see Uncompressed Export Format below).  For example, if one edits a file in the 32-bit realm and wants to export to a 16-bit WAV, this setting controls which dithering scheme Audacity employs when dithering from 32-bit to 16-bit.  Note:  It's important to set this value properly because Audacity -always- dithers, even if the Project and Export WAV sample formats are the same.  So if the Project and Export WAV sample formats are the same, set this value to None so Audacity does not dither needlessly.

 :o
Good thing I save all my raw transfers losslessly! My files have been needlessly redithered for about 4 years now! On the other hand, nobody ever complained, and I didn't notice, but I'll be altering my standard workflow from now on, thanks to finally reading this post!!!   8)
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow + mixing two sources
Post by: Mojowill on November 03, 2008, 01:28:40 PM
if this is an inappropriate forum to post this in please forgive.

Is there a paper instruction booklet for using Audacity?
if so where do i get one?
thanks, the last luddite is emerging into the 21st century.
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow + mixing two sources
Post by: Brian Skalinder on November 03, 2008, 01:41:52 PM
Is there a paper instruction booklet for using Audacity?
if so where do i get one?

Sure.  Go here...

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/

...and then print the sections of interest.  :P
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow + mixing two sources
Post by: Mojowill on November 04, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
thanks Skalinder :)
Title: Re: Audacity 24-bit and 16-bit Workflow + mixing two sources
Post by: Taper Chris on February 23, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
I'm using the latest version of audacity, and some of the preferences options for quality are different now.