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Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« on: October 11, 2009, 04:38:14 PM »
Hi,

a friend of mine has a budget of 265$ to put in a most complete possible rig.

I suggested her to buy a pair of Church Audio CA-11, a Church Audio battery box and a second-hand IRiver H120.

Is it any good ?
Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
Battery box : SP-SPSB-6524 w/bass roll-off filter, MM-CBM-1
Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
Recorders : Sony MZR-700PC, Edirol R-09HR, Tascam DR-2d

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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 04:57:56 PM »
that will do a fine job, the iriver can be had for 80-120 and you could easily pick up a good set of mics and bb or pre for 150ish

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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 09:44:22 AM »
Hi,

a friend of mine has a budget of 265$ to put in a most complete possible rig.

I suggested her to buy a pair of Church Audio CA-11, a Church Audio battery box and a second-hand IRiver H120.

Is it any good ?

I think the Church CA-14 is currently $120, battbox is another $40, and $100 for the iRiver... The CA-14, IMHO, are much better sounding mics from the samples I've heard than the -11s.  But you should listen to some samples on Archive.org and decide for yourself. 

Also keep in mind that Church gear is custom made and, therefore, you should keep in mind when you "need" the gear to be there, and plan to order the gear at least 8 weeks before that to give Chris plenty of time to build it.
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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 11:01:07 AM »
The CA-14, IMHO, are much better sounding mics

I fully agree, but the CA-14 are not listed on the e-bay page.
Another problem is that as far as I can remember, you can't remove the windscreens from the caps...

Does anyone know the price of a pair of CA-14 ?
Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
Battery box : SP-SPSB-6524 w/bass roll-off filter, MM-CBM-1
Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
Recorders : Sony MZR-700PC, Edirol R-09HR, Tascam DR-2d

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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 11:10:49 AM »
The CA-14, IMHO, are much better sounding mics

I fully agree, but the CA-14 are not listed on the e-bay page.
Another problem is that as far as I can remember, you can't remove the windscreens from the caps...

Does anyone know the price of a pair of CA-14 ?

I would recommend you check the Retail Space section of TS.com.  Chris has been advertising them there as recently as this weekend I think.  I also think there are photos of them w/o the screens on them now...  The price he had listed as I recall is $119.
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 03:01:41 PM »
Don't buy any of Chris Church's fine gear on E-Bay. He gives lower prices to taperssection members, so contact him directly by PM or email.

You are not supposed to remove the windscreens from the CA-14's. It is designed to have the proper frequency response with the screens on. This is not a problem unless the larger size is a problem for you.

A system composed of CA-14's (or even CA-11's), a ST-9100 pre and an H120 is capable of making great recordings.
AT853's (all caps)/CM-300 Franken Naks (CP-1,2,3)/JBMod Nak 700's (CP-701,702) > Tascam DR-680
Or Sonic Studios DSM-6 > M10

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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 07:12:21 AM »
Also depends on the application. I shoot shows multicamera. Audio i usually use a pair of MXL990s going to a DMP3 preamp recorded with a dr-1 (tascam). I also record 2 channel audio off the board and mix with the ambient. Have a listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98PIyudx7w

Sure, the mics are dirt cheap, but depending on the application, they can sound decent, especially after some post cleanup. Here's a song from the same show with only board audio (a cover of Judas Priest Grinder by a well known 80's metal band Wild Dogs):

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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 06:49:43 AM »
Very good job, very instructive, thank you ;)
Mics : Sony ECM-717, MM-HLSC-1 (4.7k mod), SP-CMC-4 (at853), 2x DPA4060, 2x DPA4061
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Preamp : Church Audio CA-9100
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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 06:33:07 AM »
I suggested her to buy a pair of Church Audio CA-11, a Church Audio battery box and a second-hand IRiver H120.

She might have issues with insufficient gain on the iriver, since you don't include an outboard pre in the chain.

I'd suggest CA-11>ST-9000>H320 (or CA-14>ST-9100>H320 if you can afford it).

Note that the H3xx series are usually cheaper on ebay, and since you won't go digi-in there's no added benefit of going H120.

When ordering from Chris, remember to have the parcel marked as gift, or you'll bust your budget paying EU customs!  :P
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Re: Which most complete rig for 265$ ?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 09:19:53 PM »
Mics - AKG ck61/ck63 (c480b & Naiant actives), SP-BMC-2
XLR Cables - Silver Path w/Darktrain stubbies
Interconnect Cables - Dogstar (XLR), Darktrain (RCA > 1/8) (1/8 > 1/8), and Kind Kables (1/8f > 1/4)
Preamps - Naiant Littlebox & Tinybox
Recorders - PCM-M10 & DR-60D

 

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