Topic: Guns on 13th row

[charles]

Anyone ever tried using shotguns as close as the 13th row. I got some crazy ideas in my head. Just wondering how crazy this idea is.

[blu666z]

Might think about a reword after the shooting of Dimebag.

[JackoRoses]

Anyone ever tried using shotguns as close as the 13th row. I got some crazy ideas in my head. Just wondering how crazy this idea is.

You will want to use slugs over shot for sure.
The shot will lose its umph by the time it makes it to stage lip.

[ts]

I taped 10/9 and 10/10/82 from an insanely close range with CP4's, up high too. Still some of my fav's.

[BC]

guns always sound too "tunnely" for me. Personally that close I would say run cardioid or sub-cardioid for a nice soundstage and more natural sound. Just IMHO of course.

[hexyjones]

guns always sound too "tunnely" for me. Personally that close I would say run cardioid or sub-cardioid for a nice soundstage and more natural sound. Just IMHO of course.

I think it's hit or miss with guns...moreso than with other patterns...you can make a wonderful recording with them...but you can also get some pretty screwed up blends...ie. "tunnely"...like you're listening to music through paper towel tubes...

[ts]

No, it's hit or miss with angles and degrees. Not so much with just pointing at the stack. Good guns are not "tunnelly". Maybe AT's are.  But Naks and Neumanns are not.

[hexyjones]

No, it's hit or miss with angles and degrees. Not so much with just pointing at the stack.

What does that mean?

[ts]

Means that it's easier to point guns at the inside edge or outside edge of PA, and not worry about any angles, degrees or patterns when using cards or even hypers. Thats all I meant. Plus results are very predictable in most situations.

[BobW]

Means that it's easier to point guns at the inside edge or outside edge of PA, and not worry about any angles, degrees or patterns when using cards or even hypers. Thats all I meant. Plus results are very predictable in most situations.

I'd fear nailing a mid or top-end array and missing the bass or vice-versa.

I don't have enough experience with them to swear to it, tho'.

[spyder9]

I use guns.  The best place to be upclose is being stationed directly in front the stacks.  Mine grab the lows better than the ATs because they are 20-20,000 khz.  AT835s are tinny because I believe they are 50-20,000 khz.  I could be wrong. 

Stationed and pointed at the stack, your FOB will sound better than cards or omnis all day long.  That's because your recording is focused on the music instead of the crowd/music matrix.  If the fans are more into the mood of singing, like U2 or DMB shows, then being farther back is the best or going with cards or omnis up close.  If they are not a singing crowd, then the band should be your focal point.  Its all about directionality. That's just my 2 cents.

[Tim]

Its all about directionality. That's just my 2 cents.

and to me it's all about soundstage and imaging.... different strokes for different folks!

[eric.B]

and to me it's all about soundstage and imaging.... different strokes for different folks!

unfortunately that is not allways possible..  ^^    meaning that you sometimes have to salvage a good tape from a situation that is lousy..  if it means getting a tape devoid of "imaging", yet one that sounds like a matrix (soundboard/aud)..  I say go for it.. 

[Tim]

and to me it's all about soundstage and imaging.... different strokes for different folks!

unfortunately that is not allways possible.. ^^ meaning that you sometimes have to salvage a good tape from a situation that is lousy.. if it means getting a tape devoid of "imaging", yet one that sounds like a matrix (soundboard/aud).. I say go for it..

well of course. but from the 13th row I think you could get the best of both worlds...

[eric.B]

tru dat tim...  from the 13th youll get a soundboard/aud(80/20) that wont be too bad(especially with s-guns)..  id rather be some rows back for some spacial detail and soundstage tho...

[nickgregory]

I have run cards from 7th row in an amphitheatre and gotten incredible imaging and a crisp tape...

I would be surprised if you didnt get a "tunnel tape" from running shotguns that close

[spyder9]

You would get "tunnel tape" if you were in the 7th row w/ your guns, stuck between the stacks.  That's why its imperative for a Gun taper to buy tickets in front of the stacks when close.  I use my AT853RX, omnis, if I was that close, between the stacks.  But that's just my strategy. 

[trippingjonny]

I use guns.  The best place to be upclose is being stationed directly in front the stacks.  Mine grab the lows better than the ATs because they are 20-20,000 khz.  AT835s are tinny because I believe they are 50-20,000 khz.  I could be wrong. 

Stationed and pointed at the stack, your FOB will sound better than cards or omnis all day long.  That's because your recording is focused on the music instead of the crowd/music matrix.  If the fans are more into the mood of singing, like U2 or DMB shows, then being farther back is the best or going with cards or omnis up close.  If they are not a singing crowd, then the band should be your focal point.  Its all about directionality. That's just my 2 cents.

the differenct bewtween 20 and 50 hz is not  gonna make a tape sound tinny. unless u have great subs u cant even hear much below 50hz besides muddy crap 835s are tinny because is a cheap capsule.