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Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« on: September 09, 2013, 09:39:47 PM »
On the recommendation of Bean and others here, I recently purchased a Schoeps mounting bar setup for my Church CA-14s.  I went with followinbob's Schoeps One Bar since I liked the modular setup and Jon was nice enough to sell me a half set to do just DIN and ORTF.  When I got the bar I measured my mics in the mount, and found that the distance between caps is about 30mm shorter than intended for any given pattern.  Not ever having used Schoeps caps I expected them to be much fatter but didn't plan on them being that much longer.  The good news about this was that I found the DIN setup for Schoeps now is almost exactly DIN-A with CA-14s.  The bad news was that I couldn't do standard DIN or standard ORTF with these pieces - just a narrower ORTF-ish pattern at 14cm.

So I dropped Jon a line and asked if he would make me a custom center piece for his bar system 30mm longer than his standard.  He obliged, and with my new center section combined with what I had already I am now set up for DIN, DIN-A, ORTF, and the aforementioned "narrow ORTF" at 110deg / 14cm.  I feel like this setup is a very good value because it's a modular system and I didn't have to buy a separate bar for each pattern.  Plus, if I ever have the money to buy a set of actives (doubtful) I already have the mounts.

The followinbob "one bar" can be found here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=163104.0;topicseen

Pics of all this are below.  The shorter center section and the four ends is what would come standard for Schoeps and would give you standard DIN and ORTF using Schoeps caps.  The longer section is the custom piece Jon made for me.  Also, you will notice some blue painter's tape (no residue!) on the ends of the CA-14s - this is needed to make them fit snugly in Schoeps mounts.  Kudos to Jon on the great work and outstanding service once again!

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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 10:00:42 PM »
Nice! My CA-14's should be here by the end of the month  and have been searching for something like this setup on here. Thanks for taking the time to post this write up with pictures.
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2013, 10:12:17 PM »
That's awesome! Great work as usual Jon!
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2013, 10:16:38 PM »
thats really cool! can you use one of those shure shockmounts on this or what do you use?
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 10:26:07 PM »
thats really cool! can you use one of those shure shockmounts on this or what do you use?

Same one as in my post from when I was using a ruler:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=163558.0;topicseen

The short center section though causes a slight problem - the fixing pins touch the outer part of the shockmount.  Looking for other options at the moment.  My setup was made with 19mm stock so that rules out the Shures I think.
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 11:57:08 PM »
You can just put some tape over the bar so it fits the shure/schoeps shocks ;)
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
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DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2013, 05:33:02 PM »
You can just put some tape over the bar so it fits the shure/schoeps shocks ;)

True, but one of those shocks would cost more than the entire bar setup did!  Or one of those Rycote mounts would be really sweet, but again a bit pricey.  Right now I'm considering one of these two:
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-30.html
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-40.html
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2013, 02:24:01 AM »
You can just put some tape over the bar so it fits the shure/schoeps shocks ;)

True, but one of those shocks would cost more than the entire bar setup did!  Or one of those Rycote mounts would be really sweet, but again a bit pricey.  Right now I'm considering one of these two:
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-30.html
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-40.html

get a NADY ssm-5

aka busman shock

http://www.nadypro.com/pd-ssm-5.cfm

$14.95

will hold the bar fine...
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2013, 05:21:07 PM »
^ Thanks for the tip - I will check this out.  Looks like a clone of the Schoeps mount I see others using with their bars.
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2013, 06:44:11 PM »
^^ my question is...is the cradle the same size as the schoeps mount?
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2013, 07:40:21 PM »
Great topic! Thanks for posting pics!
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 08:04:13 PM »
^^ my question is...is the cradle the same size as the schoeps mount?

You mean the diameter of the bar? Yes, they're all 20mm!
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2013, 09:56:44 PM »
^^ my question is...is the cradle the same size as the schoeps mount?

You mean the diameter of the bar? Yes, they're all 20mm!

My bar is actually made from 19mm stock, as Jon was out of 20mm at the time I ordered.  But if I account for the extra 1mm with tape on the bar or more preferably the shock, I like the way it looks like it would snap in securely. 
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2013, 09:34:32 PM »
You can just put some tape over the bar so it fits the shure/schoeps shocks ;)

True, but one of those shocks would cost more than the entire bar setup did!  Or one of those Rycote mounts would be really sweet, but again a bit pricey.  Right now I'm considering one of these two:
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-30.html
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-40.html


get a NADY ssm-5

aka busman shock

http://www.nadypro.com/pd-ssm-5.cfm

$14.95

will hold the bar fine...

the mic "clip" or "cradle" can be easily removed from the shocks, and with a heat gun one could heat and make slightly smaller (for 19mm)  or bigger (for 21mm).
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Re: Church mics with modular Schoeps bar mounting
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2013, 12:11:08 AM »
You can just put some tape over the bar so it fits the shure/schoeps shocks ;)

True, but one of those shocks would cost more than the entire bar setup did!  Or one of those Rycote mounts would be really sweet, but again a bit pricey.  Right now I'm considering one of these two:
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-30.html
http://www.sonicsense.com/superlux-hm-40.html


get a NADY ssm-5

aka busman shock

http://www.nadypro.com/pd-ssm-5.cfm

$14.95

will hold the bar fine...

the mic "clip" or "cradle" can be easily removed from the shocks, and with a heat gun one could heat and make slightly smaller (for 19mm)  or bigger (for 21mm).

Is the cradle where the active bars goes, 20mm ??? If so, I might pickup a few just to have ;) But if theyre bigger/smaller than 20mm, Im not interested ???

Thanks in advance,
Bean

PS-I already have [3] Schoeps A20 shocks, [1] Shure A53M Donut shock, and [1] Windtech cheapo shock I use with my Vark Bars ;)
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

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