Topic: can i run DIN with this?

[Brian]

i think god is testing my patience today .....he doesn't need you to take pictures.......he's already got jason's in the link he provided

[bagtagsell]

Thanks for all the help, sorry for edifying noobness.  Umm is this right?
http://www.picjar.com/cp/photos/published/Taping/P1210046.JPG/

Don't have a protractor, but this seems greater than 90 degrees hower, it is 20 cm apart

[Brian]

i need a user name and login???

also 90º is REALLY easy to make.   just form an "L" with the mics and reposition it correctly

[caymanreview]

i think god is testing my patience today .....

LOL

[Brian]

i think god is testing my patience today .....

LOL

we got it taken care of in the PM's

[bagtagsell]

I just want to say thank you for everyone's help.  Please all point and laugh at me when you have the oppurtunity.  Oh well...now for something else

[Brian]

I just want to say thank you for everyone's help.  Please all point and laugh at me when you have the oppurtunity.  Oh well...now for something else

:LOL: i +t'ed ya to 17

[caymanreview]

I just want to say thank you for everyone's help.  Please all point and laugh at me when you have the oppurtunity.  Oh well...now for something else

when we meet up. you can bet il be fuckin w/you

[F.O.Bean]

good work guys, yinz got another one thru it all

[caymanreview]

good work guys, yinz got another one thru it all

def, it was tough but i think Brian got him sorted out

[blu666z]

Thanks for all the help, sorry for edifying noobness.  Umm is this right?
http://www.picjar.com/cp/photos/published/Taping/P1210046.JPG/

Don't have a protractor, but this seems greater than 90 degrees hower, it is 20 cm apart

That's very close...just tighten your angle up a bit and you've got it.

-Kevin

[JAH]

don't run your LD's horizontal.  some weird phase issues can occur.  they were designed to be run vertical.  i've done some tests and sure enough, it sounds better vertical.

WHAT!!!! enlighten me...how can this be circularly affected?  Is this some info from the manufacture or tapers wives tales ;-)...seriously though, I don't think it matters if the mic is on its side or not...the faceing of the diaphram is the front with the center being the center of the pattern that is a 3d image going around it from front to back ...w/ the patteren rolling off as designed...encompasing your face from nose out past the ears to the back of the head......IYKWIM
have you really experienced some weir phasing due to laying the mic on its side (w/ the xlr out to the side)...how do it know if it is upside down or sideways or "correct"?   
I don't think it does, Prolly just some other reason for whatever you heard or heard of.

rock on you big diaphram guy you 

jah
ps to get better sound on LD's.....go up front.
peace
jah

[Brian]

well actually i really believe it does matter.  it's all in the design of the microphone.  take a look at a variety of large diaphragm microphones.  then look at the guts and how the capsule is mounted.  while similar looking, each has it's own unique shape....specifically the casing of the capsule. those casings are specially designed a certain way so that the capsule inside recieves the audio signal in such a way that it helps define the sound of the microphone.    by putting the mic on the side your are now making the side of the capsule the "top" and it recieves the signal a different way than it would placed vertically. you are also placing undue stress, although minial, on how the capsule is mounted in the microphone.  i've talked about this with other audio engineers and the designers of the microphones themselves and they all agreed. 

[F.O.Bean]

brian, i always thought that was the way SD's worked too, but ive seen many ppl run them everywhichway and those all sounded the same, i cannot speak for LD's tho

[JAH]

well actually i really believe it does matter.  it's all in the design of the microphone.  take a look at a variety of large diaphragm microphones.  then look at the guts and how the capsule is mounted.  while similar looking, each has it's own unique shape....specifically the casing of the capsule. those casings are specially designed a certain way so that the capsule inside recieves the audio signal in such a way that it helps define the sound of the microphone.    by putting the mic on the side your are now making the side of the capsule the "top" and it recieves the signal a different way than it would placed vertically. you are also placing undue stress, although minial, on how the capsule is mounted in the microphone.  i've talked about this with other audio engineers and the designers of the microphones themselves and they all agreed. 

WHAT!  you mean it matters how it is orientated? Think I'd preferr one that wouldn't matter if I had to run a M/S or Verticle XY...why would they do such a thing? I've been told that the 414's don't matter on their orientation.
I'm familair with capsule construction and some of the tricks used to tune the patterns...I guess thats the reason the reason their affordable cost.... so how would that affect on stage recording??
So if you point the capsule to the ceiling and made the sound source rotate slowly around the capsule you will hear differently??  hummmm try it out and let me know.
How much is it affected by?  and this is SD's only (and mics in their price range)?

cool, peace
jah