Topic: T-BARS FOR RUNNING 4 MICS

[waltmon]

 Just curious any recommended T-bars for running 4 mics...I'm thinking of doing a 3 mic bar with a shure vert bar in the center and one mic on either side....interested in other arrangements folks are running.


Thanks.

Walt

[acidjack]

The heavy-duty one I use that doesn't get out much is this bar: http://www.performanceaudio.com/item/Manfrotto-154B/29162/?gclid=CJab8ve_97YCFQsy4AodQV4A0A

Not very low-profile or cheap but sturdy. Also useful with a stand umbrella.  Best thing about this is it gives you a nice wide split...

The lower-profile method is just to use 2 Windtech C-clamps one on top of the other.  That's what I end up doing more often.

[waltmon]

I ran one real similar for my u89s....perfect for the split omnis with 140 xy in the center...it Is not stealthy...lo

[mysticeyes]

The Manfrotto 154B works great and comes equipped to mount three mics, but, for even more mics, you can add nano clamps and place them anywhere along its length. In some ways, the nanos clamps work even better than the stock mounts: they can be moved or removed more quickly. I have rapid adapters on mine to help with precise positioning of the mics.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/on-stage-stands-my700-mic-bar

I used to have one of these, may still have it...  But I think I gave it to BryonSos??? 

Worked great the one time I did use it...

Terry

[tgakidis]

Outdoors, depending on weather, i run one of my customs 3' split bars with either a standard T-bar or Vert Bar in the middle.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=161028.msg2025260#msg2025260

[waltmon]

So I could use a vark or vert on the center hub?

[tgakidis]

So I could use a vark or vert on the center hub?

Yup

[cybergaloot]

I've used the Manfrotto 154B several times with another short bar mounted to the center post. Usually my ADK-tls in split omni and my C4's in some formation on the bar mounted in the center. Last time I ran an LSD2 on the center post and the ADKs on the outer posts.

[it-goes-to-eleven]

Lotsa ways to do it.  Though I hate the vert bar because it is so heavy.  It also always seemed to either be too tight to adjust, or so loose that it wouldn't hold position.

This was how I ran back in 2006, before I found the gospel of the ceiling.

[yug du nord]

Never used it, but looks convenient..
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/365018.html

[cybergaloot]

Never used it, but looks convenient..
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/365018.html

Not wide enough for some applications and I've read complaints that it was flimsy. I've never used one so I can't say that myself though. Guitar Center sells them as well.

[Marshall7]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/on-stage-stands-my700-mic-bar

I used to have one of these, may still have it...  But I think I gave it to BryonSos??? 

Worked great the one time I did use it...

Terry

I use that one, too.  Works great, and priced right.

[cashandkerouac]

The heavy-duty one I use that doesn't get out much is this bar: http://www.performanceaudio.com/item/Manfrotto-154B/29162/?gclid=CJab8ve_97YCFQsy4AodQV4A0A

Not very low-profile or cheap but sturdy. Also useful with a stand umbrella.  Best thing about this is it gives you a nice wide split...

The lower-profile method is just to use 2 Windtech C-clamps one on top of the other.  That's what I end up doing more often.

there is a clone of this manfrotto bar out there.  it looks to be similar quality as the manfrotto, but sells for about $30 if i recall correctly.  unfortunately, i can't find the link.     perhaps someone will post it before i can dig it up.

as for the manfrotto, i won one and love it.  it's extremely durable and works great for outdoor applications. 

EDIT:  found the link and the bar is only $24.99... http://www.vistek.ca/store/ProPhotoLightingGripSupport/249198/eimage-three-light-stand-adapter-bar.aspx

for $24.99 i'd be surprised if it was the exact same quality as the manfrotto, but it's probably worth a shot.

[404 Not Found]

When I have been using 4 mic's, I use my T-Bar in conjunction with a Shure A27M that threads and mounts on the center of the stand over my T-bar.  The Shure A27 has been my go to as well when only using 2 mics. as it allows for small or closely spaced mounting with a range of various angles, and vertical separations. Gives one quite a few ideas as well in regards to mic patterns when using this with a T-Bar.   The Shure A27 is extremely well built and durable too! GL!

[cashandkerouac]

When I have been using 4 mic's, I use my T-Bar in conjunction with a Shure A27M that threads and mounts on the center of the stand over my T-bar.  The Shure A27 has been my go to as well when only using 2 mics. as it allows for small or closely spaced mounting with a range of various angles, and vertical separations. Gives one quite a few ideas as well in regards to mic patterns when using this with a T-Bar.   The Shure A27 is extremely well built and durable too! GL!

it is built like a tank, but it's very heavy.  i like mine, but it doesn't get a lot of use because of the weight. 

[John Willett]

Just curious any recommended T-bars for running 4 mics...I'm thinking of doi8ng a 3 mic bar with a shure vert bar in the center and one mic on either side....interested in other arrangements folks are running.

I use the Grace SpaceBar.

I have both 30cm and 66cm versions, as well as the centre mount.

I also have the extra mounts to run 4 mics on the one bar - eg: MS or ORTF + omni outriggers.

[waltmon]

There's a grace model with center hub? I def want vert bar in middle.

[flipp]

An alternative to the Grace Space Bar is the SuperLux MA90 but to make it usable for four mics you will either need to get two and modify it like tonedeaf did or see if you can purchase two additional mic mounts (some modification still needed if you can get the mounts seperately).

[John Willett]

There's a grace model with center hub? I def want vert bar in middle.

Yes - here is the pic.

The centre bar is an optional extra.



The threads can be either 3/8" standard or the horrible 5/8" US standard.

[F.O.Bean]

Lotsa ways to do it.  Though I hate the vert bar because it is so heavy.  It also always seemed to either be too tight to adjust, or so loose that it wouldn't hold position.

This was how I ran back in 2006, before I found the gospel of the ceiling.

I would do it like this if you're running active mics. If running non active mics, I would go with the Manfrotto 145B that acid jack linked to. You could run a very bar in the middle position and run cards or omnis spaced on each end!

[waltmon]

Is there phasing or other issues if your 2 pairs are to close together?

[F.O.Bean]

Is there phasing or other issues if your 2 pairs are to close together?

No I run a vark bar with a 3" spacer and run mk41 and ca14 on the same very bar, and the one pair is only 3" above the bottom pair

[axomxa]

I run non-active and love the K & M noted here.  Relative light weight, multiple options and sturdy.  I use it often with the Shure vert and it can easily handle at least two of those.  Also using risers you have multiple  x-y and ortf configs available.   



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/195935-REG/K_M_23600_500_55_236_Four_Microphone.html