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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #180 on: January 15, 2011, 05:36:38 PM »
The only CF card that has worked is the SLC a-Data card.  The 16GB card (highest capacity) costs about $175 or so and from tedyun's tests only gives about 50% more battery life (3 hours vs 2 hours run time).


I tested the Transcend card you linked too and it worked at 24/88.2 but nothing higher (24/96 or DSD did not work) -> Read back in this thread.


The only other flash solutions we have heard of working is Mitek SLC based SSD.


I would be willing to bet that within the next couple of years we will be able to get a high capacity SLC or VERY FAST MLC (at least 100MBps Write Speed) for under $100 and get the 4 hours we need.   With that said I don't think we are quite there yet


The only other card I would try that's out now is this card ->
http://www.jr.com/kingston/pe/KGS_CF32GBU3/


as it has 90MBps write speeds as compared to the 60MBps with the 400x Transcend cards - this may be enough to make the Korg work with it.


 
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« Last Edit: January 15, 2011, 06:53:05 PM by igene »
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #182 on: January 15, 2011, 07:34:57 PM »
From your links, I only see one that is an SLC card ($460 for 32 GB!). I'm not sure if speed is the issue because I think H2O calculated that even the slower cards should be able to write the DSD stream.

I've used 2 SSD drives that were not SLC, but had pretty fast write speeds, and they failed.

I'm convinced that it is an SLC vs MLC issue, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

If you haven't bought the MR-1 yet, I would strongly advise getting another deck if you want to stealth. There are smaller options out there that will allow you to capture 24/96. If you do get the MR-1, the battery life really sucks and you would have to carry an external battery to get more than 2 h run time. Even if that is ok, the battery will eventually wear out, so you won't be getting 2 h after many uses. Things like the R09HR or Sony PCM-M10 allow you to run using AA's, and they will run for quite a while.

That being said, I've stealthed with the MR-1, external battery, Aerco preamp, DVD battery. Just wear a big jacket  ;D


I read the post and immediately did a search
(since I know what to look for now)

found this >

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030602preteccfcard666x.asp

http://www.photographybay.com/2009/03/03/pretec-666x-cf-cards/

then this >

http://theflashstore.com/product.php?id_product=723

http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?store=dvnation&product_name=Photofast+533X+Plus+Compact+Flash+16GB+Card&exact_match=exact

http://store.uniquephoto.com/e/index.php/hoodman-raw-32gb-675x-udma-100mb-s-slc-compactflash-card-raw6-cf32gb.html?zmae=froogle&zmam=86451217&zmas=29&zmac=65&zmap=HMD5032

http://www.supertalent.com/products/sd_detail.php?series=CFast%20Cards

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=CF_32-600X&c=pw&hash=8386W2e7p7B4ig8eKKdJCWCqVxd%2BiM0WeIFQensAaoqrnv9WpzSc0E6I3qAgt%2B6gIWeVa2vWK9d0gpzN2kk6w6uTDc7sQexf5s%2FnhUEtYV09fckfPMgmUBgBQ0Ce

this looks good >
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=CFAST32GM&c=pw&hash=8ee0GKrt4ZEmUYU3a3u7nZxedVWczijDqTQ71WQRNS2aVEmwqf2GxqtWdS1A8lDnqbd6tvtcT%2FM5dvjOrY1E3LXRgeh8aoVLJvhrC78sp7DJLoMSg6cCYkNRJnQ

I can't find prices for the pretech. The site is strange, it doesn't give ordering options.
or dealers either.
(but I think its really 80W/100R for the 32GB)

then finally this insane news >

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375486,00.asp
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Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #183 on: January 15, 2011, 08:01:52 PM »
If you haven't bought the MR-1 yet, I would strongly advise getting another deck if you want to stealth. There are smaller options out there that will allow you to capture 24/96. If you do get the MR-1, the battery life really sucks and you would have to carry an external battery to get more than 2 h run time. Even if that is ok, the battery will eventually wear out, so you won't be getting 2 h after many uses. Things like the R09HR or Sony PCM-M10 allow you to run using AA's, and they will run for quite a while.

That being said, I've stealthed with the MR-1, external battery, Aerco preamp, DVD battery. Just wear a big jacket  ;D

That's the bottom line, as I see it, too. To keep these things practical, that battery issue has to get solved.
I'd be fine if Korg would ACTUALLY replace the battery for $85.

I think that the little AA battery pack works well and doesn't get in the way under the circumstances. The toughest part is just keeping everything plugged in.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #184 on: January 15, 2011, 08:07:22 PM »
still hunting for a card and found this news >

http://www.gizmag.com/sandisk-nikon-sony-propose-new-compactflash-specification/17127/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=3f7cdb3777-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email

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I'd like to get the hi-rez capability w/ the MR-1

I have a bunch of digital recorders...they're all decent and small,

but I suppose it's the challenge to make this happen that appeals to me...

the goal is to have the shortest chain possible - mics-pre-deck
(no extra battery to deal with)

It seems if I do the CF swap - I'm good for 1 (3-ish hours) show (power wise)

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What about this ? >

only $116./shipped
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CF_16-600X&src=FR&pid=91fd5fd2fe1d648d22fc6a8a14af420b226e81b64fb47cd954eaf4a25ca335bf

16GB @ 22 min per GB @ 2.8MHz setting is over 5 hours (almost 6) ;D

or - almost 3 hours at the higher 5.6 setting (@ 11 min per GB)

sounds good to me !
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #185 on: January 15, 2011, 10:11:10 PM »
FWIW - 16GB is unformatted -> after formatting you will be under 15GB


And the MR-1 doesn't support 5.6Mhz only 2.8Mhz - MR1000 supports both.


The Super Talent ones look like they may work.


Key is that the write speed needs to be around 100MBps so the 87-95MBps cards may work.



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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #186 on: January 15, 2011, 11:42:43 PM »
Nice find! I'm not familiar with that brand but I have ordered from Superbiiz before.

still hunting for a card and found this news >

http://www.gizmag.com/sandisk-nikon-sony-propose-new-compactflash-specification/17127/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=3f7cdb3777-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email

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I'd like to get the hi-rez capability w/ the MR-1

I have a bunch of digital recorders...they're all decent and small,

but I suppose it's the challenge to make this happen that appeals to me...

the goal is to have the shortest chain possible - mics-pre-deck
(no extra battery to deal with)

It seems if I do the CF swap - I'm good for 1 (3-ish hours) show (power wise)

---------------------------------
What about this ? >

only $116./shipped
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CF_16-600X&src=FR&pid=91fd5fd2fe1d648d22fc6a8a14af420b226e81b64fb47cd954eaf4a25ca335bf

16GB @ 22 min per GB @ 2.8MHz setting is over 5 hours (almost 6) ;D

or - almost 3 hours at the higher 5.6 setting (@ 11 min per GB)

sounds good to me !
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
Photo: Canon 5D3, Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8, Canon EF 35mm f1.4L Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L MkI, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS MkI, Canon EF 50 mm f1.4, Canon EF 50 f1.2L, Canon EF 300 f/4L IS, Canon EF 100-400 f4-5.6L IS MkI
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #187 on: January 15, 2011, 11:43:48 PM »
Based on everything that's been said, this the right one >

32GB > http://www.buy.com/prod/hoodman-raw-32-gb-675x-udma-high-speed-compact-flash-memory-card/q/sellerid/15334023/loc/33409/215498306.html

16GB > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370424531368#vi-content

(Lowest prices I've found...)

That's not affordable ^, but I'd like to find out more about the MR-1's write speed tolerances before I go ahead w/ a 90MB/s CF.

I may only need a 16GB.  That's over 5 hours even with 15Gb formatted. That's all I really need it for
  1 day's show (3 bands or 2 bands or 2 sets /main act)

If I've understood all the posts I've been reading (here and elsewhere)... switching to CF gives me about the same in battery power (...no ?)
so it seems an equal balance between memory and power.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #188 on: January 15, 2011, 11:58:37 PM »
I'm not sure -- they don't specify what kind of memory they use. They say it's "SSD" but an SSD can use either SLC or MLC. Those cards are priced like they are SLC, but you definitely want to know before buying.

Really, the battery issue is not adequately addressed by the CF mod. The CF mod essentially gives you a solid state alternative, in case you are concerned about problems with the hard drive, as others have reported. If you want more space, then the most cost effective way is to get a larger HDD. Others have reported success with 80 GB and higher I believe.

But if you aren't going to use an external battery, then getting a 16 GB or higher is moot because the MR-1 is going to die after 2 h.



Based on everything you've said, this the right one >

32GB > http://www.buy.com/prod/hoodman-raw-32-gb-675x-udma-high-speed-compact-flash-memory-card/q/sellerid/15334023/loc/33409/215498306.html

16GB > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370424531368#vi-content

(Lowest prices I've found...)

That's not affordable ^, but I'd like to find out more about the MR-1's write speed tolerances before I go ahead w/ a 90MB/s CF.

I may only need a 16GB.  Thats over 5 hours even with 15Gb formatted. That's all I really need it for - 1 day's show (3 bands or 2 bands or 2 sets /main act)

If I've understood all the posts I've been reading (here and elsewhere)... switching to CF gives me about the same in battery power (...no ?)
so it seems an equal balance between memory and power.
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #189 on: January 16, 2011, 12:04:03 AM »
that's not hat I've been reading...and logic says otherwise...

Going from a spinning drive to no moving parts decreases power consumption.

The only question is how much is gained ?
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #190 on: January 16, 2011, 12:11:59 AM »
One would think! I've tried it, and there is no gain in battery life by going with SSD or CF. With the CF, you go from 2.5 h to 3 h.

With a MLC CF, you do get an increase in battery life (to 5 h), but it cannot record in 1-bit (you can only do 24/88)

Anyway, I don't want to discourage you from trying. We definitely need help trying to work through this problem, and if you're able to figure it out, I would love to see success! Good luck!


that's not hat I've been reading...and logic says otherwise...

Going from a spinning drive to no moving parts decreases power consumption.

The only question is how much is gained ?
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
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Photo: Canon 5D3, Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8, Canon EF 35mm f1.4L Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L MkI, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS MkI, Canon EF 50 mm f1.4, Canon EF 50 f1.2L, Canon EF 300 f/4L IS, Canon EF 100-400 f4-5.6L IS MkI
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #191 on: January 16, 2011, 12:41:34 AM »
well...I read somewhere that there was no real power gain by swapping to SSD, but double+ gain for a CF,
but I don't have anything to back it up. I was hoping that it was true.

I think the next step would be to explore battery size and type...
What type battery is in it now ?

find out the max size within the battery area in the deck.
Can the space tolerate a larger battery ?
matching to all battery manufacturers, and possibly other battery types,
like Li-Ion poly.  Higher capacity in the same space.

also, can the MR-1 support charging of this battery...?

etc...

Then a 32GB card would make more sense.
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #192 on: January 16, 2011, 12:59:36 AM »
With a normal MLC CF, I was able to record 5 h (2-fold gain in battery life), but it can't record in 1-bit. H2O tested various resolutions and found that 24/88 was the best that an MLC CF could record. In which case an R-09 or M10 would be a better option.

Here is the only CF mod that works: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=93710.msg1833222#msg1833222

But I was disappointed to see that the SLC CF only extended battery life by a bit.

I forget the dimensions of the internal battery. I think it's 5.6 cm X 3.5 cm X 1 cm, 3.7V, 2000mAh. It is connected to a socket by a black and a red wire. I can't seem to pull the plug out of the socket, so I think I would have to cut off the old battery and solder in the new one.

I can't find a battery that size that is higher capacity, nor do I know if it would be a simple splice job. If  you can find a source for the battery and someone can confirm that I can cut and paste it in, I would be happy to test it out.

well...I read somewhere that there was no real power gain by swapping to SSD, but double+ gain for a CF,
but I don't have anything to back it up. I was hoping that it was true.

I think the next step would be to explore battery size and type...
What type battery is in it now ?

find out the max size within the battery area in the deck.
Can the space tolerate a larger battery ?
matching to all battery manufacturers, and possibly other battery types,
like Li-Ion poly.  Higher capacity in the same space.

also, can the MR-1 support charging of this battery...?

etc...

Then a 32GB card would make more sense.
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
Photo: Canon 5D3, Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8, Canon EF 35mm f1.4L Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L MkI, Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS MkI, Canon EF 50 mm f1.4, Canon EF 50 f1.2L, Canon EF 300 f/4L IS, Canon EF 100-400 f4-5.6L IS MkI
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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #193 on: January 16, 2011, 03:24:41 AM »
what type/kind of battery is it ? Ni-Mh, Li-Ion...

"With a normal MLC CF, I was able to record 5 h (2-fold gain in battery life)"
...maybe that's what I read - The extended battery life was at a lower resolution.
too bad.

I'll look into the battery.

"Here is the only CF mod that works: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=93710.msg1833222#msg1833222"

I re-read the post. I read it once the first time thru the thread.
It really is inconclusive. He said he got 3H 5M out of it but was not able to recover all the data because of power loss/  hard shut down.
Is that due to the shut down or data write error masked by the shutdown.
He was using a Ri-Data 330x 16GB SLC UDMA CF (Read 45Mbs / Write 31Mbs)
Is UDMA a factor to consider ?
was there ever a re-test to confirm what the initial test found ? (scientific method)

I've done a lot of reading on this and it seems the errors may also be caused by an incompatible CF drive due to slower write speeds.
I've read some success stories within all the posts, but the data is inconsistent.  I have not read a complete CF mod on the MR-1.
I've read about a lot of HD size upgrades though - like 80 and 120 ?

Here we are discussing the need for close to 100Mb/s write speeds for the CF
and I've read posts that claim they have a working CF mod with a Transend 133X card.(15~40Mb/s)
How is that possible ? Unless they are only using 16bit...? Then that is not a complete mod.

anyway, more research needed.


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Re: KORG MR-1 pt.II
« Reply #194 on: January 16, 2011, 09:51:51 AM »
It's Li-Ion.

The "he" is me  ;)

I did repeat the test, and I was determined to stop it at 3 h to verify that the data loss was due to the shut down. But at the 2:55 mark or so, I got distracted and forgot about it. I think I came back about 3:15, then the same thing occurred, ie., the recorder was off, and when I recovered the files, everything was fine except the last file which was truncated. I can repeat it if you're really interested, but I am pretty sure it is an SLC vs MLC issue at this point.

IIRC, the truncation here was different than the truncations with the MLC CF. With the SLC CF, the music is playable, whereas with the truncated files on the MLC, the data is corrupt. (H2O, can you confirm?)

With the MLC CF cards, I've used a non-UDMA CF card and a UDMA CF card and there was no difference.

I am wondering if the CF mod stories you read are over at head-fi? There, they are using it as a playback device. I don't think anyone has got it to record successfully. The MLC CF allows you to transfer files for playback, and then can play them, no problem. They are kind of funny over there. I read some users ripping a CD, transferring the files to an MR-1, then playing them back and claiming they could hear a difference? I kept wanting to chime in to tell them that it was just the amp section coloring the sound, but then I remembered that they probably just spent $500 on a machine bigger and lower capacity than an iPod. These are the same people that say they can hear a difference between normal wire and cryogenically treated wire..... ::)

Anyway, if you try those super fast cards, let us know. At this point, I have probably invested too much in this and those cards aren't cheap. The other thing is that to write at the high speeds, you need a device that supports UDMA. I'm not sure the MR-1 supports UDMA because it was never designed to take a CF card.



what type/kind of battery is it ? Ni-Mh, Li-Ion...

"With a normal MLC CF, I was able to record 5 h (2-fold gain in battery life)"
...maybe that's what I read - The extended battery life was at a lower resolution.
too bad.

I'll look into the battery.

"Here is the only CF mod that works: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=93710.msg1833222#msg1833222"

I re-read the post. I read it once the first time thru the thread.
It really is inconclusive. He said he got 3H 5M out of it but was not able to recover all the data because of power loss/  hard shut down.
Is that due to the shut down or data write error masked by the shutdown.
He was using a Ri-Data 330x 16GB SLC UDMA CF (Read 45Mbs / Write 31Mbs)
Is UDMA a factor to consider ?
was there ever a re-test to confirm what the initial test found ? (scientific method)

I've done a lot of reading on this and it seems the errors may also be caused by an incompatible CF drive due to slower write speeds.
I've read some success stories within all the posts, but the data is inconsistent.  I have not read a complete CF mod on the MR-1.
I've read about a lot of HD size upgrades though - like 80 and 120 ?

Here we are discussing the need for close to 100Mb/s write speeds for the CF
and I've read posts that claim they have a working CF mod with a Transend 133X card.(15~40Mb/s)
How is that possible ? Unless they are only using 16bit...? Then that is not a complete mod.

anyway, more research needed.
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