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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Shaun on February 22, 2011, 01:53:51 PM
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I'm finally going to upgrade from minidisc and am torn between these 3, although leaning towards the Sony PCM-M10
I've read that the Roland R-05 is comparable to the Sony PCM-M10 (and it's much cheaper here in the UK), is that the case? I'm also not sure if the Roland has line out.
The Tascam DR2d looks interesting but opinions seem to be mixed. Am I right in thinking that although it records two files (one at a lower volume) you cannot adjust the record level while recording?
Very grateful for any comments.
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Gutbucket on here uses the dr2 and a slew of fellas on here are gaga over the m10, probably for good reason.
The roland I haven't heard of anyone using.
Is your budget topped out with the m10?
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I'm finally going to upgrade from minidisc and am torn between these 3, although leaning towards the Sony PCM-M10
I've read that the Roland R-05 is comparable to the Sony PCM-M10 (and it's much cheaper here in the UK), is that the case? I'm also not sure if the Roland has line out.
The Tascam DR2d looks interesting but opinions seem to be mixed. Am I right in thinking that although it records two files (one at a lower volume) you cannot adjust the record level while recording?
Very grateful for any comments.
I use a DR-2D. There are things I really like about it and others that I like less so. I previously had a DR100 so I am very comfortable with look and feel which is great when stealthing. You can set volume, but you cannot adjust right and left volume. Not a big deal as thats what Soundforge or Audacity or other software is for. Since I use line level inputs with Schoeps MK4s and an NBox I have not used the dual mode. Battery life with reglar AA's was disappointing but using Energizer Lithiums I have had no problems.
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I've read that the Roland R-05 is comparable to the Sony PCM-M10 (and it's much cheaper here in the UK), is that the case? I'm also not sure if the Roland has line out.
Not sure for what application you'd need a line out, offering patches maybe?
It does have line-in, if that's what you meant. According to the specs, it can't accept as hot signal as the R-09HR (or M10), but that might not be an issue for you, depending on what you put in front.
Build quality of the R-05 is supposedly more plastic, although I haven't held any in my hands. Shorter battery life than M10, but that goes without saying.
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Hi
I use a Roland R-05 which is my first gear so I am still a newby...
R-05 was cheaper than a M-10, about 180€ in France.
It is built in plastic but I take care of it.
No line out, just a small USB plug that seems to be a bit slow when transfering large files.
Line-in and mic input on a 3.5 jack.
Battery life is OK, I have seen 2 shows (about 4hours) and I think I can still use the same batterries for more than 4 hours more.
Hope it can help you
Tom
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As a recovering MD user myself, I can tell you that the PCM-M10 interface will feel pretty familiar--but with better display--and the battery life is glorious.
The 3.5mm headphone jack is switchable to line-out--in fact it is labeled Line Out--but I have only used it for headphones.
No recording level on the remote, but you can't have everything. It's a shame about Euro prices--maybe a friend is traveling to the US?
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I vote for the m10 I love it, I still have the originals batteries in, maybe two months A lot of recordings with the same batteries!
Saludos!
Erick del Valle
Santiago de Chile
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The most obvious difference between the three is that the Tascam is a 4-track.
If you don't need 4 tracks, I would probably get the Sony.
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Many thanks for all your advice. I think I'm going to with the PCM-M10 even though it's right at the top of my budget.
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I was trying to decide between the M10 and DR-2d since I already own a D50 and decided to go with the Tascam. The M10 has much better battery life obviously but the dual record mode on the Tascam is really attractive and I also decided if I was going to have fixed internal mics I wanted cardioid instead of omni.
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I use a DR-2D. You can set volume, but you cannot adjust right and left volume. Not a big deal as thats what Soundforge or Audacity or other software is for. Since I use line level inputs with Schoeps MK4s and an NBox I have not used the dual mode.
Sorry if I'm being stupid but does that mean can't adjust the overall record level during recording? You have to stop recording, adjust the record level, then start recording again? btw I'll only be using external mics going line in, so not fussed about the internal mics.
It's just that at £100 less than the PCM-M10 the DR-2D is very tempting.
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I use a DR-2D. You can set volume, but you cannot adjust right and left volume. Not a big deal as thats what Soundforge or Audacity or other software is for. Since I use line level inputs with Schoeps MK4s and an NBox I have not used the dual mode.
Sorry if I'm being stupid but does that mean can't adjust the overall record level during recording? You have to stop recording, adjust the record level, then start recording again? btw I'll only be using external mics going line in, so not fussed about the internal mics.
It's just that at £100 less than the PCM-M10 the DR-2D is very tempting.
No, it means you can't adjust each channel independently. You can raise or lower the volume while recording but it affects both channels. AFAIK, the M10 is the same way. I know the D50 is and the M10 has the same type of level knob.
I've had the DR-2d for a relatively short time but it seems like a very decent unit. It will go through batteries faster than the M10 but with a decent set of rechargables or lithium batteries you'll be fine for most normal shows.
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Many thanks for all you help and advice. I've gone with the PCM-M10.
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I think you'll be very satified with it - I have been very impressed. I am in the UK and got one. Pink noise systems had an offer. Amazon's always worth a look and then there's BHP in NY.
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Yes, I got one from Pink Noise. Very good price for UK and very speedy service. Ordered it Tuesday afternoon arrived Wednesday morning!
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So, when recording in "dual-mode", you CAN or CANNOT adjust levels on BOTH MIC-IN & LINE-IN ??? I got one to run mk41>Sonosax>DR2D[LINE-IN] & Busman Actives>LittleBox>DR2D[MIC-IN. Is that possible or will both the sax and LB be way too hot to record MIC-IN ???
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So, when recording in "dual-mode", you CAN or CANNOT adjust levels on BOTH MIC-IN & LINE-IN ??? I got one to run mk41>Sonosax>DR2D[LINE-IN] & Busman Actives>LittleBox>DR2D[MIC-IN. Is that possible or will both the sax and LB be way too hot to record MIC-IN ???
you can adjust Mic In while recording
Line In I keep at 100 and use my Littlebox for gain
not sure about the Sax, but don't think you will have any issues
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So, when recording in "dual-mode", you CAN or CANNOT adjust levels on BOTH MIC-IN & LINE-IN ??? I got one to run mk41>Sonosax>DR2D[LINE-IN] & Busman Actives>LittleBox>DR2D[MIC-IN. Is that possible or will both the sax and LB be way too hot to record MIC-IN ???
you can adjust Mic In while recording
Line In I keep at 100 and use my Littlebox for gain
not sure about the Sax, but don't think you will have any issues
How do you know if your ":OVER" if you cant check both the MIC-IN & LINE-IN channels ???
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So, when recording in "dual-mode", you CAN or CANNOT adjust levels on BOTH MIC-IN & LINE-IN ??? I got one to run mk41>Sonosax>DR2D[LINE-IN] & Busman Actives>LittleBox>DR2D[MIC-IN. Is that possible or will both the sax and LB be way too hot to record MIC-IN ???
you can adjust Mic In while recording
Line In I keep at 100 and use my Littlebox for gain
not sure about the Sax, but don't think you will have any issues
How do you know if your ":OVER" if you cant check both the MIC-IN & LINE-IN channels ???
by hitting the DUAL button while recording you switch your meter between your 2 sources
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So, when recording in "dual-mode", you CAN or CANNOT adjust levels on BOTH MIC-IN & LINE-IN ??? I got one to run mk41>Sonosax>DR2D[LINE-IN] & Busman Actives>LittleBox>DR2D[MIC-IN. Is that possible or will both the sax and LB be way too hot to record MIC-IN ???
you can adjust Mic In while recording
Line In I keep at 100 and use my Littlebox for gain
not sure about the Sax, but don't think you will have any issues
How do you know if your ":OVER" if you cant check both the MIC-IN & LINE-IN channels ???
by hitting the DUAL button while recording you switch your meter between your 2 sources
And you can actually adjust the levels on the MIC-IN and LINE-IN when you hit "dual" to show both levels? Is that making sense ??? Or are the levels just stuck there?
Ahhhh, +T. So get both channels setup and recording, I can just switch from mk41>sax to Busman>LB and check on each sets levels ??? Well, yinz just made my phucking day ;D 8) Cant wait to get it for XMAS. The Busmans shouldnt be too far down the road :) Id LOVE to run mk41>Sax>DR2D & Busman BSC2>LittleBox>DR2D for NYE would be TITTIES.
Well, scratch what I just said, I wont have a 2nd preamp til the end of Jan when the LB arrives :'( :(
Anyone want to loan me a mixpre/mp2, that takes AA batteries ??? JUST for the NYE shows I do! Unsure what band yet tho ;)