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Gear / Technical Help => Post-Processing, Computer / Streaming / Internet Devices & Related Activity => Topic started by: chrisdavis on December 10, 2007, 11:13:33 AM
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Just curious what everybody around here thinks. I think fade in at the beginning of show, and fade out at end of show is the way to do it. Or, should i add fades at beginning and end of sets?? What say you TS??
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Just curious what everybody around here thinks. I think fade in at the beginning of show, and fade out at end of show is the way to do it. Or, should i add fades at beginning and end of sets?? What say you TS??
I've quit using fades - most of the time I can get away with merely tracking in CD Wave...so I've started skipping the fades. I only use them if I have to - say if missed the first part of a song...or if the crowd/band is particularly loud at the start of the show. Basically I use them to cover any abrupt openings or endings...but usually its quiet enough at the beginning and ends of shows to skip the fade..of course this will vary based on the material you record.
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Just curious what everybody around here thinks. I think fade in at the beginning of show, and fade out at end of show is the way to do it. Or, should i add fades at beginning and end of sets?? What say you TS??
I've quit using fades - most of the time I can get away with merely tracking in CD Wave...so I've started skipping the fades. I only use them if I have to - say if missed the first part of a song...or if the crowd/band is particularly loud at the start of the show. Basically I use them to cover any abrupt openings or endings...but usually its quiet enough at the beginning and ends of shows to skip the fade..of course this will vary based on the material you record.
this is what Ive been doing as well..
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beginning and ending of each set.
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I use fades at the beginning and end of the set and at the end of each track. If it is a concert I will just do the fade at the beginning and end of the set. When I track fade I take out all the in-between chatter so one tune blends into the next, but that is non-concert.
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Just curious what everybody around here thinks. I think fade in at the beginning of show, and fade out at end of show is the way to do it. Or, should i add fades at beginning and end of sets?? What say you TS??
I've quit using fades - most of the time I can get away with merely tracking in CD Wave...so I've started skipping the fades. I only use them if I have to - say if missed the first part of a song...or if the crowd/band is particularly loud at the start of the show. Basically I use them to cover any abrupt openings or endings...but usually its quiet enough at the beginning and ends of shows to skip the fade..of course this will vary based on the material you record.
this is what Ive been doing as well..
yep, this is my preference as well. i dont like to add the fades at the end of each set due to concept of "seamless" media (or at least my concept of it) but, i am transferring the tapes of others, and want to be as silky as possible for the benefit of hard working tapers...
ok, cool, thanks for your advice and opinions!! T's all around...Cd
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yep, this is my preference as well. i dont like to add the fades at the end of each set due to concept of "seamless" media (or at least my concept of it) but, i am transferring the tapes of others, and want to be as silky as possible for the benefit of hard working tapers...
ok, cool, thanks for your advice and opinions!! T's all around...Cd
I say fades at the start/end of each set. after all, set 2 is not "continously seamless" from set 1. That said, you're the one putting in the time and effort, set it up however you think is best. If the beginning and end crowd noise isn't too loud, maybe a fade isn't needed. Dave isn't too picky about little details like these, he's just happy someone is transferring his tapes :)
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I say fades at the start/end of each set. after all, set 2 is not "continously seamless" from set 1.
Same here. Fades make for more pleasant listening, IMO.
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I like fades as well... beginning and end of each set. Easier on the ears...
When someone grabs the mic stand and yells into your mics... I fade quicker.
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I start recordings prior to the band walking out and don't stop recording until the encore applause is complete. That being said, I have never seen the appeal for fades unless, as a post above mentions, abrupt starts/stops.
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Small hijack: When you guys are fading, is there a standard time that you like to use to ramp in and out? Do you use a 0 to 100 staight ramp or do you use a soft ramp up via an envelope? I'm sort of hovering around a 3-4 second soft ramp in with a 5-7 ramp out.
5 sec soft ramp in and out for me.
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Lovely Feyd...
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Terry
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All my recordings are faded. :D
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Small hijack: When you guys are fading, is there a standard time that you like to use to ramp in and out? Do you use a 0 to 100 staight ramp or do you use a soft ramp up via an envelope? I'm sort of hovering around a 3-4 second soft ramp in with a 5-7 ramp out.
Carry on
I fade two seconds in the front and five in the back. Same for the beginning and end of the set, if it is not a concert. Concerts have no fades between tracks, rock concerts that is. Classical music fades between movements/parts always and the beginning and end.
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All my recordings are faded. :D
I think I am a little faded...
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I follow etree generally. I only add fades if there is an actual set break or intermission long enough that I decide to cut out 5-10 minutes of the audience.
http://www.etree.org/faq_dat-cdr.html
8. Should I fade in and out of each disc?
Fading in and out of each disc is generally considered bad practice in the trading community. The only areas where fades should be used, and don't have to be, are at the beginning and the end of a show/set.
I think all traders will agree that the only parts of a show that should ever be faded would be crowd noise, never music. Remember, we will most likely be transfering this music from CDR to DVD in a few years, and we'd like to be able to reassemble a complete show without fades screwing up the continuity of the show.
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I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing. Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively. Non-destructive fades (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,8520.msg99805.html#msg99805), when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go. Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.
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I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing. Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively. Non-destructive fades (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,8520.msg99805.html#msg99805), when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go. Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.
yea its funny how time can change outlooks to past problems. its been 2 plus years since i've burnt a cd.
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I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing. Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively. Non-destructive fades (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,8520.msg99805.html#msg99805), when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go. Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.
I think this dates back to the earliest CD-R transfers, that were often done with stand alone decks. Fades were common at the disc separation point, and non-destructive fades were not really easy to do/possible when transferring to a standalone burner vs. on the computer.
Most of my initial CD-R transfers when I still used a standalone thus have several seconds of overlap beyond the fades to facilitate seamless reconstruction.
These days, the question seems much simpler: fades at beginning/end of set for a 'polished' transfer, or leave the sudden start/stop if you like that abrupt/'unpolished' feel in playback to remind the listener that it is non-'produced'
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I never understood the eTree "fades = bad practice" thing. Fades are only bad practice if they're done destructively. Non-destructive fades (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,8520.msg99805.html#msg99805), when spanning music across multiple discs, are the way to go. Though I don't do them much now, since I don't listen to audio CDs any longer.
ETREE went with the no-fade rule because no one could do it in an intelligent way and with any consistency. I remember several arguments over whether or not discs should be faded, whether or not an extra fade-track should be added to file-sets, etc.
It finally just go to the point where they said, "F-It. No more fades"!!! But really they're not going to ban your seed because it has fades in it...
The "same" discussion is occurring concerning FLAC Tagging. Since everyone does it differently, and Tags alter FLAC MD5s, etc., etc., ETREE has basically stayed away from FLAC Tagging. Its better to not have it, than to try and convince a million people to do it a certain way.
Hell, we can't even convince people to use the ETREE Naming Guidelines.
Terry