Topic: WaveLab Won't Join Tracks At 2gb Split (pissing me off!)

[kcmule]

Ok so I've got some 24/96 files from a show that are split at the 2gb limit.

Normally I can copy the last portion of the 2gb (first) file, paste into a new file,
then copy the first portion of the second file, paste into the same new file to
get a seamless track.  With me so far?  I've done this numerous times without
issue.  Well, today, yesterday, I can't.

I can get the copy/paste done fine but upon trying to save the new file I only
get the result of the first copy/paste.  The second portion is simply discarded.
The wave form even looks fine at first, as soon as I change the display (zoom/
pan/whatever) the second portion of the file disappears from the screen.

Even before changing the display if I double click the file, to highlight the entire
thing, only the first copy/paste is highlighted.  It's like WaveLab doesn't know
the second portion exists, for some reason.

Anyone seen this before?  Know how to fix it?

I need to copy/paste both portions of the file before saving otherwise I get an
offset in the tracks resulting in a blip at the splice.  WTF!

Thanks for any advice.

[kcmule]

I'll try some other files and see what I get, maybe these two files
are screwed up some how.

[anhisr]

I just open one file, then use edit, instert audio file, at end.  It then puts the second file on the end of the first with no gaps. Then save it as a different file.

[Gordon]

try changing from 32 bit temp file to 24 bit temp files.   

options > preferences > file

[kcmule]

I just open one file, then use edit, instert audio file, at end.  It then puts the second file on the end of the first with no gaps. Then save it as a different file.

I've tried that also, same result.  It only save the first part of the file.

[kcmule]

try changing from 32 bit temp file to 24 bit temp files.   

options > preferences > file

I'll give that a whirl.

[kcmule]

try changing from 32 bit temp file to 24 bit temp files.   

options > preferences > file

No dice.  Same issue.

This show has 4 files, 2 at 2gb and 2 at, well... less than 2gb.

This worked fine on the second 2gb split.  But it sure as hell isn't working
for the first split.  I don't know how else to join the files.

[kcmule]

It may be time for a uninstall/reinstall just for shits and giggles.

[anhisr]

Did yo try their help

[kcmule]

Did yo try their help

Nope.  I'll try a reinstall first.  I just don't understand what the issue is.  Is very
odd to watch the second part of the file disappars after changing the display.
Somethin' is a muck.

[busterr]

One thing I always do now is when you have them joined initially, have you tried deleting the useless little marker it adds at the join point? Just a suggestion...that marker prevents me from highlighting the "whole" new file. Although it does sound like something is amiss, I swear in the past I have been able to save the new file without deleting the markers in the past

[kcmule]

One thing I always do now is when you have them joined initially, have you tried deleting the useless little marker it adds at the join point? Just a suggestion...that marker prevents me from highlighting the "whole" new file. Although it does sound like something is amiss, I swear in the past I have been able to save the new file without deleting the markers in the past

Yeah I've tried leaving the markers, deleting them, different type of markers, etc..
Even tried the cut/paste "in reverse" just to see if it made any difference.  Hopefully
I'll have some time to play with it today.

[ghellquist]

Trying to understand this.
I believe you are joining four files: a=2,b=2, c=less than 2, d=less than 2.

The absolute maximum size for a wav file is 4. So if only a tiny bit is added somehow a+b might become more than 4.

Suggestion: split b in a break somewhere, gettin b1 and b2. You should now be able to concat a+b1.

Gunnar

[kcmule]

Trying to understand this.
I believe you are joining four files: a=2,b=2, c=less than 2, d=less than 2.

The absolute maximum size for a wav file is 4. So if only a tiny bit is added somehow a+b might become more than 4.

Suggestion: split b in a break somewhere, gettin b1 and b2. You should now be able to concat a+b1.

Gunnar

Lets see if I can explain this clearly.

I've got a total of 4 files.

1.wav
2.wav
3.wav
4.wav

1 and 3 are at 2gb each.
2 and 4 are 500 and 800mb (or whatever)

Each of these 4 files contain "generic" track markers.

I open 1.wav double click between the last track marker (start of the last song in the 2gb file)
and the end of the file.  Copy it to the clipboard.

Start a new .wav file at 24/96

Paste the contents of the clipboard to the new file.

I then open 2.wav double click between the beginning of the file and the first track marker
(the remainder of the last track from 1.wav).  Copy it to the clipboard.  Switch to the new
file, press the "end" key on the keyoard, and paste.

I now have the complete song in one file, unsaved.

I save the file and watch the progrees bar in the lower left corner.  It never reaches
100%.  It generally stops at 57% or 58% (happens to be the percentage that equals
the length of the first cut/paste).

At this point, I THINK I've got the entire song.  Wave form looks good and complete.

Two things at this point that make the second portion of the file disappear:

1. Close/reopen the file, only the first cut/paste has remained intact.  The second
part was simply discarded.

2. After saving (not closing the file) if I change the display (pan/zoom) the second
part disappears from the screen.


Does that help?

[shnflac]

remember that that 2 gig limit is an NTFS file system limit, and it can be over ridden by keeping all the waves in .w64 format as opposed to .wav.

wavelab5 doesn't support .w64,  wavelab6 does.


the best way to join fiiles in wavelab for me is to

OPEN WAVELAB
FILE > OPEN>WAVE...

HIGHLIGHT THE 4 WAVES IN THE DIRECTORY OF YOUR CHOICE AND LOOK IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE DIALOG BOX..OPEN IN "AUDIO MONTAGE"..CHECK THAT BOX

the waves have a tiny gap between them but you can slide the waves that micro space together, by hand with the mouse..simple to do.

you then render a new wave out of montage with the four joined files.


the reason the second wave is " disapperaing" is beacuse of the NTFS file system 2 gig limit..ya cant write a 5 gig wave file on a NTFS file system....but again you can if you use the .w64 format...you would then do your tracking in wavelab still in w64...and then spilt the .w64 whole show file into managable .wav files with auto split...

hope that helps

jamie

[kcmule]

remember that that 2 gig limit is an NTFS file system limit, and it can be over ridden by keeping all the waves in .w64 format as opposed to .wav.

wavelab5 doesn't support .w64,  wavelab6 does.


the best way to join fiiles in wavelab for me is to

OPEN WAVELAB
FILE > OPEN>WAVE...

HIGHLIGHT THE 4 WAVES IN THE DIRECTORY OF YOUR CHOICE AND LOOK IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE DIALOG BOX..OPEN IN "AUDIO MONTAGE"..CHECK THAT BOX

the waves have a tiny gap between them but you can slide the waves that micro space together, by hand with the mouse..simple to do.

you then render a new wave out of montage with the four joined files.

I can't render the entire montage, becasue the result exceeds the 2gb limit.

the reason the second wave is " disapperaing" is beacuse of the NTFS file system 2 gig limit..ya cant write a 5 gig wave file on a NTFS file system....but again you can if you use the .w64 format...you would then do your tracking in wavelab still in w64...and then spilt the .w64 whole show file into managable .wav files with auto split...

What your missing is, I'm trying to save a single track (pieces from two different files)
which totals around 400mb, no where near a 2gb limit.  I am NOT trying to save the
entire show as one file, which would easily exceed the 2gb limit.

The process I described above worked fine for files "3.wav and 4.wav".  It just doesn't
want to work for file "1.wav and 2.wav".  WTF.

[shnflac]

What your missing is, I'm trying to save a single track (pieces from two different files)
which totals around 400mb, no where near a 2gb limit.

ok.

 in that case do what i mentioned BUT select (highlight) the area between the two waves you need and  hit render..

BUT when you do you want to check "time selection"...NOT "whole montage"..that should do it.

If this is a frequent conundrum (the 2 gig file limit), get wavelab6 (bout 300 bucks if you look around).  I've rendered 20 and 30 gig files in 24 96 when doing multi track work..having no size issue is a real plus to production speed.

shnflac@gmail for more detailed wavelab issues or questions..happy to help TS folks.

jamie

[kcmule]

in that case do what i mentioned BUT select (highlight) the area between the two waves you need and  hit render..

BUT when you do you want to check "time selection"...NOT "whole montage"..that should do it.

If this is a frequent conundrum (the 2 gig file limit), get wavelab6 (bout 300 bucks if you look around).  I've rendered 20 and 30 gig files in 24 96 when doing multi track work..having no size issue is a real plus to production speed.

shnflac@gmail for more detailed wavelab issues or questions..happy to help TS folks.

jamie

I'll try this when I get home this evening.  What I still don't understand is why
this has worked many times before and all of a sudden it doesn't.  That is just
plain silly.  I'll post back with my results.  Thanks for the help.

[kcmule]

That didn't work.  Created the montage, slid the tracks together.
Highlighted the track (clip) hit render, time selection, create specific
file, gave it a file name.  It goes through the motions like it is rendering
but no file is ever created.

I should be able to just cut/paste them sumbitches and be done.

[kcmule]

Something funky with these two tracks, not sure what.  I can cut/paste/save
parts of other files just fine.  Not sure what it is about this split, but it don't
want to work.  Makes is real tough to put out tapes when you can't join the
damn files!

I also tried inserting the second track after the first, changing the start and
end track markers (for this tune that is split) to "temporary" from "generic" and
then went with Autosplit > Temporary markers > bla bla bla (thinking I could
end up with 3 tracks and only need the second one) but wavelab wrote the
first track and stopped when it hit the "bad spot".  Guess I'm fucked.

Will try on a buddy's laptop this weekend for giggles and see what happens.
I just may start recording 24/48 so this is likely to never be a problem again.

Reinstalling wavelab didn't help either, FYI.

[prof_peabody]

Which version of wavelab are you using?

[kcmule]

Which version of wavelab are you using?

501a  I believe (I run XP)

[Brian Skalinder]

I think the comments about the 2GB issue aren't applicable.  As I understand it, he has 2 files, A and B.  File A is 1.8 GB.  File B is 0.5 GB.  Obviously, joining them together produces a file that's > 2 GB.  But he's taking only the last wee bit of File A (say, 10 MB worth of audio), copying it into a new, empty file, then taking the first wee bit of File B (say, another 10 MB), and appending it into the new file.  The new file, then, has a total of only 20 MB of data:  10MB from File A, 10 MB from File B.  The 2GB issue isn't in play in this scenario.

You said it worked before, but it doesn't work now.  Let's try to determine whether it's a software / configuration issue, or a file issue.  Try performing the same process with an old source that you know worked previously.  If the problem occurs again, using the old files that worked fine in the past, the problem likely is software / configuration related.  If it works correctly, as it did in the past, then the problem likely is file related (e.g. corruption of some kind to one or both of the source files with which you're working).  If the issue is file related, e.g. corruption, try one or all of the following:

• Copy/paste both pieces into another editor (CD-Wave, Audacity, etc.) and save.
• Copy/paste each piece individually into another editor.  Save each individually.  Then try to join in one or more editors.  (I know you said this introduced an artifact, but I think it's worth trying in another editor.)
• Open each complete source file (1.wav, 2.wav) in another editor, like CD-Wave.  Save it, or maybe Save As (or try both if one doesn't work), without changing the bit-depth or sample rate.  Then re-open in WaveLab and try again.

[kcmule]

I think the comments about the 2GB issue aren't applicable.  As I understand it, he has 2 files, A and B.  File A is 1.8 GB.  File B is 0.5 GB.  Obviously, joining them together produces a file that's > 2 GB.  But he's taking only the last wee bit of File A (say, 10 MB worth of audio), copying it into a new, empty file, then taking the first wee bit of File B (say, another 10 MB), and appending it into the new file.  The new file, then, has a total of only 20 MB of data:  10MB from File A, 10 MB from File B.  The 2GB issue isn't in play in this scenario.

Correct.  I believe this has been established.

You said it worked before, but it doesn't work now.  Let's try to determine whether it's a software / configuration issue, or a file issue.  Try performing the same process with an old source that you know worked previously.  If the problem occurs again, using the old files that worked fine in the past, the problem likely is software / configuration related.  If it works correctly, as it did in the past, then the problem likely is file related (e.g. corruption of some kind to one or both of the source files with which you're working).

I think it is a file issue.  I can save the first and second parts by themselves just fine.
It worked fine with the other two files from this show.  I can also save the first part
and a different part fine, as well as the second part and a different part.  If that makes
any sense to you.

If the issue is file related, e.g. corruption, try one or all of the following:

• Copy/paste both pieces into another editor (CD-Wave, Audacity, etc.) and save.
• Copy/paste each piece individually into another editor.  Save each individually.  Then try to join in one or more editors.  (I know you said this introduced an artifact, but I think it's worth trying in another editor.)
• Open each complete source file (1.wav, 2.wav) in another editor, like CD-Wave.  Save it, or maybe Save As (or try both if one doesn't work), without changing the bit-depth or sample rate.  Then re-open in WaveLab and try again.

I'll try some other programs and report back.

[Brian Skalinder]

Correct.  I believe this has been established.

Yeah, sorry about that - I misread the timeline of responses and thought people were still, today, pointing to the 2GB issue.

I think it is a file issue.  I can save the first and second parts by themselves just fine.
It worked fine with the other two files from this show.  I can also save the first part
and a different part fine, as well as the second part and a different part.  If that makes
any sense to you.

To help me visualize, here's a representation of 2 files, each split into sections. 

[------------------FILE 1-----------------][------------FILE 2-----]
|  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |  e  |  f  |  g  ||  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |

So if I understand your comments above correctly, you cannot combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section a, but you can combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section b-d, or File 2 / section a + File 1 section a-f?

[kcmule]

To help me visualize, here's a representation of 2 files, each split into sections. 

[------------------FILE 1-----------------][------------FILE 2-----]
|  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |  e  |  f  |  g  ||  a  |  b  |  c  |  d  |

So if I understand your comments above correctly, you cannot combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section a, but you can combine File 1 / section g + File 2 / section b-d, or File 2 / section a + File 1 section a-f?

Glad you were able to follow along.  That is exactly correct.

[Brian Skalinder]

Glad you were able to follow along.  That is exactly correct.

Boy, that's a weird one, then.  Good luck!

[kcmule]

FWIW,  I was able to save each piece of the way by itself then had a buddy
use Sequoia to join them into one track with no issues.

Still like to know why this was an issue in the first place, but at least I can
finish this show!

[ghellquist]

Yep. Sequioa / Samplitude ( same program, some extra features in Seq ) does this and a lot of other things.

G.