Topic: how do I take my recording and edit it into individual songs and edit out

[Hellion]

Thank you to everyone that replied!  I now feel like I have successfully completed my first recording!  You all are the greatest!

I made my first recording last weekend and I want to know a simple way to edit it into individual songs and edit out dead air.  I have CUBASE software, but find it a little hard to understand the instructions.  I'm a little impatient to try to read the 260 page user manual.

[rowjimmytour]

I made my first recording last weekend and I want to know a simple way to edit it into individual songs and edit out dead air.  I have CUBASE software, but find it a little hard to understand the instructions.  I'm a little impatient to try to read the 260 page user manual.

CD Wave is the easiest to use if your only tracking the show and you run a pc but if you want to edit the sound try audacity.
http://www.milosoftware.com/en/index.php?body=cdwave.php
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

[su6oxone]

Agree with ^^^.  CD Wave is great, it's easy to use and it's free... definitely check it out.

[runonce]

Agree with ^^^.  CD Wave is great, it's easy to use and it's free... definitely check it out.

shareware...

[stevetoney]

I don't remember details, but the other thing about CDWave is that it's especially designed for this specific task (splitting tracks).  If you try to do it with programs that aren't designed for this (like using 'cut and paste' from your audio editing software, for example), you might end up with Sector Boundary Error's (SBE's) which can cause you to have some gaps between tracks.  If tracks are properly cut on sector boundaries (whatever the hell they are!), there will be no transition gaps between tracks.

[tay666]

I made my first recording last weekend and I want to know a simple way to edit it into individual songs and edit out dead air. 

What dead air?
Or, are you talking about the begining and end of your recording?

[StuStu]

I too use CDWave. It's an excellent program.

[rhinowing]

for things like trimming out the dead air or putting fades on the beginning/end, I recommend Audacity. Free and very easy to use. Then you can export it (still as a whole file) and split it into tracks with CDWave (also free and very easy to use).

[runonce]

for things like trimming out the dead air or putting fades on the beginning/end, I recommend Audacity. Free and very easy to use. Then you can export it (still as a whole file) and split it into tracks with CDWave (also free and very easy to use).

I find myself using CDwave more and more for cutting dead space. Just make the dead space a track - and uncheck it. It wont be saved - or numbered. Make sure to pick places with like volumes to make the cuts transparent.

And if I think I really need a fade...(i really never need them for the stuff i tape) I just do it post tracking. Its generally the only thing I need from an editor - so working with the tracked file is faster.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

My process:

1)  Dump 24/48 WAV file from HDP2 to PC.
2)  Create 24/48 WAV MD5, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
3)  Convert 24/48 WAV to 16/44 WAV (Audacity)
4)  Track 16/44 WAV file.  Save CUE file and save new WAV files  (CDWave)
5)  Create WAV MD5 of new 16/44 tracked WAV files, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
6)  Burn 24/48 FLAC file, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP, 16/44 tracked FLAC files, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP to DVDR

TLH = Traders Little Helper...

And you can do a lot with Audacity, including fades, editing, etc...

And best of all, TLH, CDWave, and Audacity are all FREE!!!

Terry

[runonce]

My process:

1)  Dump 24/48 WAV file from HDP2 to PC.
2)  Create 24/48 WAV MD5, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
3)  Convert 24/48 WAV to 16/44 WAV (Audacity)
4)  Track 16/44 WAV file.  Save CUE file and save new WAV files  (CDWave)
5)  Create WAV MD5 of new 16/44 tracked WAV files, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
6)  Burn 24/48 FLAC file, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP, 16/44 tracked FLAC files, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP to DVDR

TLH = Traders Little Helper...

And you can do a lot with Audacity, including fades, editing, etc...

And best of all, TLH, CDWave, and Audacity are all FREE!!!

Terry

CDWave is NOT free - its shareware...

[rowjimmytour]

My process:

1)  Dump 24/48 WAV file from HDP2 to PC.
2)  Create 24/48 WAV MD5, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
3)  Convert 24/48 WAV to 16/44 WAV (Audacity)
4)  Track 16/44 WAV file.  Save CUE file and save new WAV files  (CDWave)
5)  Create WAV MD5 of new 16/44 tracked WAV files, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
6)  Burn 24/48 FLAC file, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP, 16/44 tracked FLAC files, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP to DVDR

TLH = Traders Little Helper...

And you can do a lot with Audacity, including fades, editing, etc...

And best of all, TLH, CDWave, and Audacity are all FREE!!!

Terry

CDWave is NOT free - its shareware...

Its a guilty pleasure thing where you don't have to pay but they would like you to make a donation to help pay the cause

[Scooter123]

My order of work on Gold Wave

1)  Dump 24/48 WAV file from Edirol to PC.
2)  Compress Sound to remove clapping and crowd noise
3)  Apply 60 Htz highpass to remove bass, or higher to 100Htz if necessary
4)  Increase volume to something shy of 0db
5)  Apply Cues to songs naming tracks.
6)  Listen to Tape, final adjustment as to highpass, volume, compression, and other effects (EQ, Flanger) as necessary
7)  Split file to individual wave files
8.  Convert to flac usinig TLH or Media Monkey

[runonce]

My process:

1)  Dump 24/48 WAV file from HDP2 to PC.
2)  Create 24/48 WAV MD5, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
3)  Convert 24/48 WAV to 16/44 WAV (Audacity)
4)  Track 16/44 WAV file.  Save CUE file and save new WAV files  (CDWave)
5)  Create WAV MD5 of new 16/44 tracked WAV files, convert to FLAC, create FLAC FFP  (TLH)
6)  Burn 24/48 FLAC file, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP, 16/44 tracked FLAC files, WAV MD5, FLAC FFP to DVDR

TLH = Traders Little Helper...

And you can do a lot with Audacity, including fades, editing, etc...

And best of all, TLH, CDWave, and Audacity are all FREE!!!

Terry

CDWave is NOT free - its shareware...

Its a guilty pleasure thing where you don't have to pay but they would like you to make a donation to help pay the cause

I dunno - its not like Open Source...he wants people to buck up the $15...

http://www.milosoftware.com/en/index.php?body=buy.php

All it gets you is clear conscience...I guess.

[Brian Skalinder]

A shareware license typically doesn't mean the author would like you to donate, or that you may donate if you wish.  A shareware license typically requires purchasing a license if used beyond the trial period.  Just because an author chooses not to make the software "crippleware" beyond the trial period (like CD-Wave) doesn't make the license optional.  It's compulsory.  From the website:

You can try it [CD-Wave] for a period of one month (31 days). If you wish to continue to use it after that period, you must register [i.e. purchase a license].

Brackets and emphasis mine.

More discussion here.

Anyway...IMO, it's a no-brainer to pay $15 for s/w that has proved so helpful to me over the years.  It's a pittance compared to what I've spent on gear, concerts, etc.

[runonce]

A shareware license typically doesn't mean the author would like you to donate, or that you may donate if you wish.  A shareware license typically requires purchasing a license if used beyond the trial period.  Just because an author chooses not to make the software "crippleware" beyond the trial period (like CD-Wave) doesn't make the license optional.  It's compulsory.  From the website:

You can try it [CD-Wave] for a period of one month (31 days). If you wish to continue to use it after that period, you must register [i.e. purchase a license].

Brackets and emphasis mine.

More discussion here.

Anyway...IMO, it's a no-brainer to pay $15 for s/w that has proved so helpful to me over the years.  It's a pittance compared to what I've spent on gear, concerts, etc.

Lately, there have been almost daily posts proclaiming CDwave to "Free" - tapers need to get this right - especially in light of all our crowing about bootegging.

I wonder how many folks here are bootlegging CDWave?

[Shadow_7]

I use sox to chunk out audio segments from a larger file.  Mainly because Audacity seems to only save 16 bit formats (or less).  Sox lets you retain a 24 bit version until you use Audacity to apply EQ, hard limit, normalize, and other stuff.  And if you need to do one thing a lot of times sox is more scriptable.  Not for the meak, but an option.  And you can be precise on the SBE issue.  You can do it in Audacity to, but you've got to be aware of it, and use those time things at the bottom.  Since click and drag doesn't align with 1/75 second intervals by itself.  At least not in the version I have.  And/or at my user level.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

Lately, there have been almost daily posts proclaiming CDwave to "Free" - tapers need to get this right - especially in light of all our crowing about bootegging.

I wonder how many folks here are bootlegging CDWave?

Good point, I registered mine today...

Terry

[Brian Skalinder]

Mainly because Audacity seems to only save 16 bit formats (or less).

Audacity will save to multiple word length formats.  Just need to configure it to do so.  See sticky at top of forum for a thread outlining the configuration settings.

You can do it in Audacity to, but you've got to be aware of it, and use those time things at the bottom.

Not sure about those time things at the bottom, but I vaguely recall you simply need to set Audacity to align the cursor to CD frames (1/75).  It's been a while since I've used it, though.

[dean]

Not sure about those time things at the bottom, but I vaguely recall you simply need to set Audacity to align the cursor to CD frames (1/75).  It's been a while since I've used it, though.

Explained perfectly right here with screen shot:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=125789.msg1730367#msg1730367

[Shadow_7]

Maybe it's a side effect of growing up on MS-DOS, but I find this easier / quicker for me:
$ sox input.wav output.wav trim 00:00:00 00:01:00

Plus I can do an echo "....." >> what_i_did.txt
or cat ~/.bash_history > log.log if I'm lazy. 

But I guess I'm the exception, not the norm.  This way if I need multiple outputs / minor adjustments / other things I've basically recorded my work history / undo list.  Plus it's easier to tell others exactly what I did step by step.  And all I need to maintain a copy of is the original and the small .txt work history.

Not that audacity can't do all of the above too.  I just find it a little too needy for large projects.  The things at the bottom let you manually type a timestamp for your edit points.  It looks like it's a dockable toolbar.  It's the one with the project rate on it (selection toolbar).  I just toyed with labels...  ick...

Tracks -> Add Label Track
select a range on the WAV...
Tracks -> Add Label at selection
Analyze -> Regular Interval Labels
(change 60 to 1/75 ?)

I seem to need to redo the analyze step and add label step at every segment I would want to be a CD track.  Or is there some other way to make that work?  Audacity Version 1.3.5-beta.  In either case it seems a bit needy for something as mathmatically simple as making the length of a selection a multiple of 1/75.