Author Topic: Help with lossless recording (Read 6564 times)

oldjoe38 · « **on:** May 21, 2012, 02:37:04 PM »

How do I make a lossless recording?

pridix · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2012, 02:41:41 PM »

If you are using a recorder...most of the times they let you to choose between mp3 and wav (called BWF sometimes). You just have to set the recording type to WAV/BWF

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:10:16 PM »

Then what?

bryonsos · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:13:11 PM »

Quote from: oldjoe38 on May 21, 2012, 03:10:16 PM

Then what?

Press record.

Sorry, I couldn't resist

pridix · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:29:26 PM »

You should give us more details about your recorder and those kind of things but...yes, after setting the recorder...very simple, press record button

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:31:17 PM »

Are you thinking of Lossless compression?

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:33:04 PM »

I just put our band on archive.org and they only want lossless recordings. I am using a DR40 with the internal mics for the time being.

pridix · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:36:01 PM »

You are using the same recorder as I am. Simply, what I said, put the setting to BWF and press the record elipsoidal button. You have to press it two times. The first time just show the levels for you to set them correctly

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:37:50 PM »

I understand how to press record. I didn't know if there needed to be some kind of conversion or something afterwards

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:37:56 PM »

After you process the recording (normalize and cut into tracks) you use xAct or Traders little helper to compress to FLac files which is lossless and upload to Archive.org

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:39:25 PM »

Thanks hynocracy

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:03:49 PM »

I have options for bwf 16 and 24 bit and wav 16 and 24 bit. Which should I go with?

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #12 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:12:03 PM »

I use 16bit, but I do all my edits in 24bit...export a 16bit file for CDwave to cut into tracks...then compress to lossless files

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:12:57 PM »

Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 21, 2012, 04:12:03 PM

I use 16bit, but I do all my edits in 24bit...export a 16bit file for CDwave to cut into tracks...then compress to lossless files

I don't know what this means exactly (puts bag over head)

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:28:05 PM »

Trader's little helper isn't for mac? Does xAct do the same things?

bryonsos · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:39:19 PM »

I accidentally uploaded 2 shows to LMA last week as 24 bit filesets. They stream fine. xACT will create flacs and checksums just like TLH.

hoppedup · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:40:55 PM »

Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 21, 2012, 04:22:35 PM

My method of working is a follows...

When you finish recording at a concert...there is one file...for all the songs are on that one file...do all your edits for sound (compression, eq, normalize) and export to a 16bit file...

Next open the 16bit recording (still one file with all the songs) in CDWave...which is a application that cuts that huge file with all the songs down into separate files for each song...it creates a third copy of the recording but now there are lots of smaller files...one file for each song....

Then compress to Lossless files...open Traders Little Help and add each song...click the button for "Create Checksum File" (this is what tells the program that extracts the compressed files it was successful)...now you have a fourth copy of the show as compressed 16bit FLAC files

Upload to Archive.org and it will have a player for to stream the files...I THINK that if you put 24bit files up on Archive.org it is just a storage area and will not stream the players for easy playback

I record, process, export, track and upload in 24-bit now. Archive will derive mp3 from 24-bit files. I have a similar workflow to Hypnocracy, but I tag my flacs in foobar2000 with the live show tagger plugin, then I make a checksum file with Trader's Little Helper. I think people appreciate the tags. I certainly like it better for playback.

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:45:10 PM »

This is why TS is so awesome...you learn something new all the time...

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:49:06 PM »

Does this mean I should record in 24 bit bwf format on my dr40?

Quote from: hoppedup on May 21, 2012, 04:40:55 PM

Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 21, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
My method of working is a follows...

When you finish recording at a concert...there is one file...for all the songs are on that one file...do all your edits for sound (compression, eq, normalize) and export to a 16bit file...

Next open the 16bit recording (still one file with all the songs) in CDWave...which is a application that cuts that huge file with all the songs down into separate files for each song...it creates a third copy of the recording but now there are lots of smaller files...one file for each song....

Then compress to Lossless files...open Traders Little Help and add each song...click the button for "Create Checksum File" (this is what tells the program that extracts the compressed files it was successful)...now you have a fourth copy of the show as compressed 16bit FLAC files

Upload to Archive.org and it will have a player for to stream the files...I THINK that if you put 24bit files up on Archive.org it is just a storage area and will not stream the players for easy playback

I record, process, export, track and upload in 24-bit now. Archive will derive mp3 from 24-bit files. I have a similar workflow to Hypnocracy, but I tag my flacs in foobar2000 with the live show tagger plugin, then I make a checksum file with Trader's Little Helper. I think people appreciate the tags. I certainly like it better for playback.

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:53:15 PM »

Recording your Master in 24bit 48khz is pretty standard...everyone got excited about 24bit 96khz but I think unless you have unlimited space it is a waste...it takes a FAST computer to edit them too...

oldjoe38 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:02:10 PM »

So you recommend I set my recorder to BWF 24 bit 48k?

Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 21, 2012, 04:53:15 PM

Recording your Master in 24bit 48khz is pretty standard...everyone got excited about 24bit 96khz but I think unless you have unlimited space it is a waste...it takes a FAST computer to edit them too...

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:07:37 PM »

Yeah 24bit and 48khz...the 24bit will give you all the head room you need...48khz is compatible with 96khz so in the future when we get the next generation of CPU's and Hard drives it will not have to be resampled

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:11:18 PM »

Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 21, 2012, 05:07:37 PM

48khz is compatible with 96khz so in the future when we get the next generation of CPU's and Hard drives it will not have to be resampled

Hypnocracy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:26:21 PM »

Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology there will not be a mathematical interpolation that creates samples like there is when 48khz files are exported to 44.1khz

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #24 on:** May 22, 2012, 07:41:37 PM »

Regular WAV in 24-bit

newplanet7 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 23, 2012, 12:25:47 PM »

Quote from: F.O.Bean on May 22, 2012, 07:41:37 PM

Regular WAV in 24-bit

Yeah no need at all for BWF.
WAV For The Win.