Topic: Oade D8 pre upgrade w/mics or AT853rx w/pantom power

[Bloomer]

My subject says it all.  Do I want to send my D8 to the brothers down under to modify my D8 for a
stealth rig.  Or should I purchase the At 853rx with fantom 48v power.  Would the 48V fantom power option eliminate the need for the Oade Brothers pre upgrade.   If I still get the upgrade would it improve the sound witht he 853's?  Just another stealth question that I didnt find the answer too in the archives.  Nor did I find much on the Oade Brothers upgrade with mini mics.     

[goose]

The Oade mic input upgrade is only good if you are to use the mic input.  With the 48v option, you will not likely use the mic in on the d8.  I would recommend the phantom power option over the d8 upgrade.  It makes your mics sound better and gives added versatility on recording decks to be used for best results.

How best to answer the question depends on how you intend to give your mics 48v phantom, should you go that direction.  With a 48v power supply only (denecke ps2, rolls 224, etc) you *may* use the mic input of the DAT deck, or you may use the line input.  If you are getting the 48v phantom from a preamp (mp2, m148, sonosax, etc) you will *not* use the mic input, making the d8 upgrade worthless.

I would personally go with the rx version of the 853s, as it gives better sound than the sound pros version, and gives all around more versatility, IMO.

Good luck, hope this info helps.

[Bloomer]

If I so chose to upgrade the D8 will the 'improved mic in' work better with the AT's during stealth operations (AT853rx>power>D8) ?   Just looking for  "good" stealth rig that I can use secreatly.  An option that the 853rx gives me over the upgrade is that when I can't use a mic stand (stealth required) these mics alow me still to use my wUA-5>D8.  However, when taping isnt permitted (booo) I cant use the wUA-5. Thats my problem!   What set up is correct for my uses?  I havent looked at the power supplies for the 853rx yet.  Is it small? I hope!   Can the Oade Brothers mini mics be used with my wUA-5 with the right connectors? 


 

[Bloomer]

No more need for info!  I have made my stealth rig!   That will complete my full taping needs also.  I have posted and poked around this board for all I can chew...  see ya on Ratdog Tour

[Bloomer]

Thanks, for all the info.  I have made my stealth rig which in turn completes my whole taping rig.  Time to get busy....  Lots to chew on so, see ya in the tapersetion during Ratdog Fall tour

[ashevillain]

With a 48v power supply only (denecke ps2, rolls 224, etc) you *may* use the mic input of the DAT deck, or you may use the line input. 

I tried this mic-in to my SBM-1 and I got a huge brickwall ... the levels were only peaking at -6dB

[Bloomer]

Tomarrow I'm going to purchase the Sound Professional Premium Audio Techanica Slimline cardioid (SP-CMC-8) with phantom adaptor and 9v power w/basrolloff and rotating clips.  Add the  two belt clips and mic bag and the bill was $444.00.  Would anyone suggest I still get the Oade mic in upgrade with this settup?  Oade cliam their upgrade works with any mics so, if it will make the mics perform at there full potental, I'll upgrade the D8.  Just this last bit of advise Please!!!

Kindly,
Bloomer

[ashevillain]

Would anyone suggest I still get the Oade mic in upgrade with this settup? 

I think you'll be fine without it. You'll want to run line in anyway.

[leegeddy]

Tomarrow I'm going to purchase the Sound Professional Premium Audio Techanica Slimline cardioid (SP-CMC-8) with phantom adaptor and 9v power w/basrolloff and rotating clips.  Add the  two belt clips and mic bag and the bill was $444.00.  Would anyone suggest I still get the Oade mic in upgrade with this settup?  Oade cliam their upgrade works with any mics so, if it will make the mics perform at there full potental, I'll upgrade the D8.  Just this last bit of advise Please!!!

Kindly,
Bloomer

i'd go for the cmc-4 (at853 caps) rather than cmc-8 (at943 caps). i've got recordings with both and the cmc-4 just sound way better to my ears....and they are much cheaper.

marc

[Bloomer]

It says the 8's are the AT 853 in performance.

[leegeddy]

It says the 8's are the AT 853 in performance.

the 8's are AT943 caps. trust me, i have a pair sitting in my living room collecting dust.

marc

[Bloomer]

Thanks for aving me some cash man.  I would have bought them cause it stated that they were AT 853 in compairision to performance.  I'll take your word of it though and not get the 8's.  +T

Much Kindness,
Bloomer

[Sean Gallemore]

It says the 8's are the AT 853 in performance.

if you look at Audio Technica's spec. sheet, you won't have to take his word for it.  It'll be pretty damn clear.

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[blu666z]

It says the 8's are the AT 853 in performance.

the 8's are AT943 caps. trust me, i have a pair sitting in my living room collecting dust.

marc

Don't have the hypers do ya?

-Kevin

[blu666z]

i'd go for the cmc-4 (at853 caps) rather than cmc-8 (at943 caps). i've got recordings with both and the cmc-4 just sound way better to my ears....and they are much cheaper.

marc

Bet I could send you some 943 tapes that would change your mind.

-Kevin

[leegeddy]

i'd go for the cmc-4 (at853 caps) rather than cmc-8 (at943 caps). i've got recordings with both and the cmc-4 just sound way better to my ears....and they are much cheaper.

marc

Bet I could send you some 943 tapes that would change your mind.

-Kevin

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

[blu666z]

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

Cool...like to here that.

-Kevin

[leegeddy]

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=6678

lmk and i'll reseed this today.

marc

[jk labs]

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

This is interesting!

In light of the fact that I might work on a pair of AT943 soon I checked the AT spec sheets (links were included a few postings up)
and for the case of cardioids the most striking difference between the AT853 & the AT943 is the drooping bass response of the AT943:  
From 200 Hz and downwards there is a noticeable difference in level between the two types -  if we are to believe the spec sheets.

Jon

[blu666z]

BTs lock up my PC everytime I try.

-Kevin

[leegeddy]

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

This is interesting!

In light of the fact that I might work on a pair of AT943 soon I checked the AT spec sheets (links were included a few postings up)
and for the case of cardioids the most striking different between the AT853 & the AT943 is the drooping bass response of the AT943:  
From 200 Hz and downwards is a noticeable difference in level between the two types -  if we are to believe the spec sheets.

Jon

jon;

i'm not the one to ever judge a mic by its FR curve alone, but the comparison tapes that i made described above was enough evidence for me.
the control environment was near perfect and the only difference in the recording chain are the 2 different DAT decks, which i consider negliable.
 
personally, i prefer the fullness of the at853 capsules, while others may prefer the brightness of the at943 capsules.

marc

[Sean Gallemore]

i prefer the fullness of the at853 capsules, while others may prefer the brightness of the at943 capsules.

qft

[blu666z]

100% true. 

-Kevin

[Bloomer]

OK bring it on!  I didnt get the sp AT 853's.  The AT 943's in the long run won the race.   With batter pack bass roll off and 48V adapter kit.  Shure looking forward to plugging those into my Warm digi mod UA-5.  woohoo   Stealth rig complete when I can find a good bag or carring case for the D8.   Any advise.  Got to be stealthy
     

[blu666z]

Shoot me your addy and I will send you a DVD of SHN/FLACs with the 943s if you want.  Lots of different configs.  W/ and w/o phantom.  w/ and w/o wmod UA-5.  Omni vs. Card caps.  Stealth vs open.

-Kevin

[Bloomer]

Thanks for the DVD offer!  Is there a great deal of soud difference in the seperate configs?  I'm only running card caps to get used to the equipment.  Then I will have my own oppinion on their performance.   Goot recordings are the only thing that will support spending $450 on a stealth rig.  Now I got to fix my car

[blu666z]

I could tell a differnce once I stepped up from the battery box to the ua-5 phantom.  Obviously a difference in the caps.  Only have 1 stealth tape so far...with the battery box.  Just PM me your mailing address if ya want it.

-Kevin

[Sean Gallemore]

I HIGHLY recommend phantom power, but of course, ymmv

[Bloomer]

I wrote a letter and I mailed it in the air.......eotw

I bought this rig just for steathing but, its lookin like these AT 943's will give my Studio Project C4's some competition.