Topic: Oade D8 pre upgrade w/mics or AT853rx w/pantom power

[leegeddy]

i'd go for the cmc-4 (at853 caps) rather than cmc-8 (at943 caps). i've got recordings with both and the cmc-4 just sound way better to my ears....and they are much cheaper.

marc

Bet I could send you some 943 tapes that would change your mind.

-Kevin

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

[blu666z]

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

Cool...like to here that.

-Kevin

[leegeddy]

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=6678

lmk and i'll reseed this today.

marc

[jk labs]

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

This is interesting!

In light of the fact that I might work on a pair of AT943 soon I checked the AT spec sheets (links were included a few postings up)
and for the case of cardioids the most striking difference between the AT853 & the AT943 is the drooping bass response of the AT943:  
From 200 Hz and downwards there is a noticeable difference in level between the two types -  if we are to believe the spec sheets.

Jon

[blu666z]

BTs lock up my PC everytime I try.

-Kevin

[leegeddy]

kevin;

i'm not knocking the at943s as crappy mics. definitely not true, they are fine mics for their price point.  however, in COMPARISON to the at853 there's a definite difference between the 2 according to my ears.

i actually recorded a Buckethead show recently and simultaneously ran 2 (almost) identical setups:

1. at853>at8533>mv100>m1
2. at943>at8533>mv100>d100

they were on the same stand, same height and near identical config,

the at853 tape sounded much better with the fullness that i like. both were punchy as hell, great crisp highs, but the at943 did lack the power in the low end, in comparison to the at853.

marc

This is interesting!

In light of the fact that I might work on a pair of AT943 soon I checked the AT spec sheets (links were included a few postings up)
and for the case of cardioids the most striking different between the AT853 & the AT943 is the drooping bass response of the AT943:  
From 200 Hz and downwards is a noticeable difference in level between the two types -  if we are to believe the spec sheets.

Jon

jon;

i'm not the one to ever judge a mic by its FR curve alone, but the comparison tapes that i made described above was enough evidence for me.
the control environment was near perfect and the only difference in the recording chain are the 2 different DAT decks, which i consider negliable.
 
personally, i prefer the fullness of the at853 capsules, while others may prefer the brightness of the at943 capsules.

marc

[Sean Gallemore]

i prefer the fullness of the at853 capsules, while others may prefer the brightness of the at943 capsules.

qft

[blu666z]

100% true. 

-Kevin

[Bloomer]

OK bring it on!  I didnt get the sp AT 853's.  The AT 943's in the long run won the race.   With batter pack bass roll off and 48V adapter kit.  Shure looking forward to plugging those into my Warm digi mod UA-5.  woohoo   Stealth rig complete when I can find a good bag or carring case for the D8.   Any advise.  Got to be stealthy
     

[blu666z]

Shoot me your addy and I will send you a DVD of SHN/FLACs with the 943s if you want.  Lots of different configs.  W/ and w/o phantom.  w/ and w/o wmod UA-5.  Omni vs. Card caps.  Stealth vs open.

-Kevin

[Bloomer]

Thanks for the DVD offer!  Is there a great deal of soud difference in the seperate configs?  I'm only running card caps to get used to the equipment.  Then I will have my own oppinion on their performance.   Goot recordings are the only thing that will support spending $450 on a stealth rig.  Now I got to fix my car

[blu666z]

I could tell a differnce once I stepped up from the battery box to the ua-5 phantom.  Obviously a difference in the caps.  Only have 1 stealth tape so far...with the battery box.  Just PM me your mailing address if ya want it.

-Kevin

[Sean Gallemore]

I HIGHLY recommend phantom power, but of course, ymmv

[Bloomer]

I wrote a letter and I mailed it in the air.......eotw

I bought this rig just for steathing but, its lookin like these AT 943's will give my Studio Project C4's some competition.