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ua5 matrix?
caymanreview:
so i just bought a warm/digi mod ua5 that i hope to use with a picturebook very soon, but with my m1 untill it sells
i will be recording a little annual thing here locally, i was contacted by thier management to record them, and am being paid for all my time...
i will be running akg 391s > wmod ua5 > m1 or hopefully a sony vaio picturebook by then
i will also have access to the sbd signal also, was wondering about makin a sbd/aud matrix with the ua5 using the rca ins for the sbd
i will be able to set my gear up as close as i want, i will basically be on thier staff... i think the distance where you need a delay is something like 35ft???? i could be wrong
how would having a 20-25ft rca coming from the board, all the way to me? would that add any kind of a delay?
is this possible?
joeshambro:
Here's how I do things when I'm doing a pro recording of a band and they're on a real hardcore budget...
Take your 391's and put them on either side of the stage facing the crowd. They'll pick up the crowd as well as some ambient noise from the room. Little to no delay compared to the stage mics.
Plug them into the stage snake going back to the board. Back at the soundboard, take the outputs from those snake channels into the mic ins on the UA5. Run RCA's to the line in from the board. Get the proper mix, and you're all set.
Ideally if you had access to the equipment, you could either 1) use a stereo delay to add just a touch of delay to the board feed to match to the aud mics on stage, or 2) use a limiter on the audience mics, set up in a way that when the level from the soundboard feed picks up, the mics are ducked out, and when the band quiets down, the aud mics fade up.
I'd be more than happy to post some samples from this technique...
Also, for reference, the audio delay is 1ms per foot every foot you go back from the audio source.
Let me know if I can be of any more help!
caymanreview:
what if i ran them on the stage, i only have one stand, what kind of a stereo pattern would i use to get a good crowd mix? i can do everything else... great post...
caymanreview:
how can i adjust the mix. that possible on the ua5?
i do have a 8 channel behringer eurorack mixer... has phantom power but no delay....
would that be a better solution to mix the signals and adjust the levels before it goes in the ua5?
joeshambro:
You could run the mics into the Behringer but I'd reason to think the UA5's pres are much higher quality, no need to. The only reason I'd ever think of doing that is to roll off the bass from the stage rumble and bump the mids just a bit to bring some punch into the crowd mix.
What you COULD do -- and this is just a suggestion, but.. depending on the setup of the bands (and the willingness of the sound engineer doing the mix) take individual outs of channels that arent so hot in the mix (guitars usually, sometimes bass)... look for the insert channels on the board, take your regular TRS 1/4th cable, and insert it just until it clicks once, not twice. Then plug the other end in, and there you have a channel to add to the mix coming off the board to beef it up a bit in the behringer. You can also buy a more expensive insert splitter, they have them at Guitar Center for about $3 a piece.
Just remember, don't get fancy and pan shit around where it isn't in the original mix, or else you open up to phase issues, etc.
You can asjust the mix on the UA5 by the little level dial on the back end.
http://webpages.charter.net/jshambro/promo-t04.mp3
I was in complete control of the FOH mix so that explains why it works out on tape so well :D Two mics on either side of the stage facing crowd, stage mix (Bass DI, acoustic guitar mic'ed with the new Taylor XPression System, vocals Neumann KMS105, crowd Oktava MC012) and then into a UA5 into a laptop, with a firewire drive attached.
Toured with that setup in one config or another for three months. :headphones: Made it easy to configure it for different rooms, etc... because I essentially had production manager duties on that tour, it made it easy to make a very HQ recording while doing FOH, monitors, sometimes lights, and supervising the local crew setting up for us and whatever headliner we were with, etc...
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