Author Topic: what is the so-called "healy pattern" (Read 10665 times)

junkbondking · « **on:** March 15, 2004, 02:23:10 PM »

i have heard it is 3 split omnis in a triangluar pattern, but nothing about separation (either vertically or horizontally)

anyone have any pics of it in use ?

anyone ever run it "

does it look like this:

stage

x x
x

since summer is approaching, and red rocks is always fun to run splits, i thought i w0uld try this for either the dead or the $CI, ABB runs.

thanking you

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:25:22 PM »

The Healy method is taking two omni's and spacing them ear distance apart with the caps facing out. Tim and I did Utah and Kansas City like this last Summer...

Dave

Tim · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:27:13 PM »

what Dave said....

maybe you're thinking of a Decca-Tree?
http://www.acmi.net.au/AIC/DECCA_TREE.html

junkbondking · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:28:09 PM »

you guys did that with the u89's

pointed to the side ? thats fucked up, no way im doing that at red rocks then.

teajay · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:30:13 PM »

Dave,

Do you face the caps at 180*? Like >-- --< (nice diagram, huh?)
Since it's only ear distance too, i gather you ran both mics on the same stand?
And would it hurt if one mic was 20mm higher than the other? I don't have a stereo bar, so i'd just clamp one on top of the other, and face them outward.

Thanks

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:30:24 PM »

I ran it with the mk5's and my tubes. What's fucked up about it? You won't know until you try it..right? I think the Kansas City tapes sound sick played back on serious speakers...

Dave

Tim · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:30:32 PM »

huh?

they are setup vertically as always but the diaphragm is at 90* from the sound source....

I ran it for Bela at the Botanical Gardens too... sounds pretty good. I prefer spaced omni's but if you don't have the room this works well.

dmonterisi · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:30:46 PM »

don't think you want to do it at red rocks...i think it needs to be flat (little reflection)...also, it is not supposed to work as well with LD's as with small diaphragm omnis...supposedly the dual-diaphragm large capsule mics do not work as well in this technique, but i know people have disagreed about that...could be another doug oade "magic 8-ball" myth.

Tim · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:31:35 PM »

yes Teejay! you've got it. and I wouldn't sweat a small vertical distance.

Tim · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:32:21 PM »

and I wouldn't run omni's at red rocks... too many reflections.

dmonterisi · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:33:21 PM »

Quote from: Tim on March 15, 2004, 02:32:21 PM

and I wouldn't run omni's at red rocks... too many reflections.

unless you run em split, so that each mic is on axis and you're in the 4th row...then i think you could get away with it.

junkbondking · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:33:35 PM »

dave: the walls at red rocks have a lot of reflection off of them, which is why it would be a fucked up pattern to run there. especially if you are above row 20-22, where the steepness increases and the walls get bigger.

i'll probably just end up trying it for one of the sci sets anyway.

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:33:55 PM »

Yep...I set them up facing out 180 degrees...
And I wouldn't want to try it at Red Rocks because of the steep incline, but would definitely go for it at a big open shed with no roof...

Dave

junkbondking · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:35:18 PM »

didn't ian run 40' splits at usana this summer. i would also think that the gorge would be another spot to run splits. about 1/2 way up the cement of course.

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:37:22 PM »

I doubt Ian ran a 40ft split in Utah...
The section there was VERY small....

Dave

teajay · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:37:39 PM »

Nice. I'll try it at the Molson Amphitheater in Toronto this summer...
since you say "no walls", I wonder how a tape would turn out running healy at the front of the lawn with some beefy windscreens. Any experiences?

Travis

junkbondking · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:39:09 PM »

i thought they split the section at usana.....

Tim · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:41:16 PM »

omni's from the lawn are amazing...

I like to run them outdoors in open air situations (ie. no roof or sides) and preferably on flat or gently sloping ground.

at your average outdoor shed, if I was stuck on the lawn taping... I would run the omni's.

if you have the room to run split omni's do that, if you need to stay on one stand the Healy method is a nice alternative.

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:41:18 PM »

It was split only because of a stairwell in the middle of it...

Dave

heath · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:43:40 PM »

Quote from: schoeps t00bes on March 15, 2004, 02:30:24 PM

I ran it with the mk5's and my tubes. What's fucked up about it? You won't know until you try it..right? I think the Kansas City tapes sound sick played back on serious speakers...

Dave

would like to hear this...any chance of a torrent or a b+p?

junkbondking · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:44:21 PM »

yeah, i was one section over from the section and thought i saw splits. but i also took chocs that nite tto, so i was seeing all sorts of stuff.

teajay · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:44:59 PM »

Thanks tim,

I was worried about not having any use for the omni caps... For summer tours sounds like they'll get just as much use as the cards.

I've got two jazz festivals and one blugrass planned for this summer, i'll be able to try lots of the outdoor omni configs there....

Will the DPA windscreens be fine for alot of outdoor taping in open spaces?

Travis

Tim · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:48:49 PM »

If you are taping at outdoor open air festivals bring two stands, set em up 6 feet or so apart, sit back and enjoy.

Omni's are my favorite pattern, they are so unbelievably "natural" sounding... no coloration whatsoever. You'll know what I mean when you run them. I like them so much I'm playing around with running them indoors.

Omni's can bring some serious lowend though... the bass sounds very natural but goes waaaayyyyy down there.

as for windscreens... well, with omni's you can get by without windscreens at all... but the dpa's would be fine too.

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #23 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:50:26 PM »

Hehe...apparently I was fucked up that night.

After 20 shows and 7,000 miles I am lucky I can remember anything. I just got out all my tapes from the Summer to check em out. I ran the 5's split 5 feet in Utah and ran the Healy method for Kansas City. So, you probably did see my mics split.
Sorry for the confusion...

Dave

schoeps t00bes · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:56:05 PM »

Heath....I can do a DAT B&P...

Dave

teajay · « **Reply #25 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:56:23 PM »

oh, and +t for the help guys

Tim · « **Reply #26 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:03:45 PM »

no sweat... let us know if you've got anything else. contrary to popular belief I can actually contribute more than smart-ass comments to this place

dmonterisi · « **Reply #27 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:04:47 PM »

Quote from: Tim on March 15, 2004, 03:03:45 PM

contrary to popular belief I can actually contribute more than smart-ass comments to this place

like quality pictures of escott doing his best impression of Touchdown Jesus FOB.

Tim · « **Reply #28 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:06:04 PM »

exactly!

cbd · « **Reply #29 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:07:50 PM »

Quote

no sweat... let us know if you've got anything else. contrary to popular belief I can actually contribute more than smart-ass comments to this place

take your mono soundboard & scram smart ass

nickgregory · « **Reply #30 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:10:08 PM »

Quote from: Tim on March 15, 2004, 03:03:45 PM

no sweat... let us know if you've got anything else. contrary to popular belief I can actually contribute more than smart-ass comments to this place

I wouldnt veer too much from what your good at...we all have our place in life

dmonterisi · « **Reply #31 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:10:38 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on March 15, 2004, 03:10:08 PM

Quote from: Tim on March 15, 2004, 03:03:45 PM
no sweat... let us know if you've got anything else. contrary to popular belief I can actually contribute more than smart-ass comments to this place

I wouldnt veer too much from what your good at...we all have our place in life

the world needs ditch diggers too!

-Judge Smails

junkbondking · « **Reply #32 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:11:26 PM »

watch tim's post count go way down once he starts being a real lawyer.

Tim · « **Reply #33 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:11:31 PM »

bunch of funny guys, eh?

nickgregory · « **Reply #34 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:11:32 PM »

thank god for me that beligerent assholes are needed at times too

nickgregory · « **Reply #35 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:12:27 PM »

Quote from: junkbondking on March 15, 2004, 03:11:26 PM

watch tim's post count go way down once he starts being a real lawyer.

if it doesnt we know that some client is getting charge billable hours for Tim to keep up his TS habit

junkbondking · « **Reply #36 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:16:29 PM »

thats for sure. each week, we gets stats here on revs, calls, total talk time etc etc. my average talk time is 3mins 15 secs. i take about 65 calls a day. it works out to a little over 3.5 hours of actually doing work. not bad.

Tim · « **Reply #37 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:36:00 PM »

care to explain what you mean Mike?

I know what you mean but I think you'll be better at articulating it!

dmonterisi · « **Reply #38 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:44:18 PM »

so you could probably still do it, just with more spacing between the caps...if healy is supposed to be 4 or 5 inches separation or so (the width of your head), make the LD's 7 or 8...would that work?

Tim · « **Reply #39 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:48:25 PM »

Nice job Mike...

as to what Damon is saying I compensated for the rear capsules in just this manner the first time I ran it. So if running LD's a but more spacing may be in order but you can still setup on one stand.

junkbondking · « **Reply #40 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:56:37 PM »

thanks mike. i don't know exactly where i can try this now, execept for telluride bluegrass. maybe horning's too.

Tim · « **Reply #41 on:** March 15, 2004, 04:05:55 PM »

ned-fest

junkbondking · « **Reply #42 on:** March 15, 2004, 04:07:03 PM »

no way man. i hit up ned fest 2 years ago. cold rain, wind, not a decent betty to be seen. those wooks can keep their mtn fest.

junkbondking · « **Reply #43 on:** March 15, 2004, 04:22:51 PM »

i have done a search for the jdisc mike. depending on the summer shows besides that $CI/ABB i'll prolly get one. if the dead run 5 nites here again, i'm sure i will. might u be interested in a trip out here for that ?

junkbondking · « **Reply #44 on:** March 15, 2004, 04:31:48 PM »

evidently you have not seen me try to build anything physical. a bond ladder i can build, a portfolio i can construct.... but using saws, levels, is just a disaster waiting to happen.

junkbondking · « **Reply #45 on:** March 15, 2004, 04:44:38 PM »

ok, i will think about it. might have to bring ramsden into it, if he can mod gear, im sure he can help me out.

BobW · « **Reply #46 on:** March 15, 2004, 06:37:16 PM »

Quote from: junkbondking on March 15, 2004, 04:31:48 PM

evidently you have not seen me try to build anything physical. a bond ladder i can build, a portfolio i can construct.... but using saws, levels, is just a disaster waiting to happen.

Have you read the argument against laddering based on investment delay ? Has anyone quantified it in percentages ?

Oh, wait, that's work....sorry, man. My bad.

The Jecklin disk can be made by ambitious grade-schoolers.
Perhaps you have kids in the family ?

Tim · « **Reply #47 on:** March 15, 2004, 06:39:30 PM »

"The Jecklin disk can be made by ambitious grade-schoolers."

clearly you have never met JBK.

Jason B · « **Reply #48 on:** March 15, 2004, 06:49:17 PM »

Quote from: dmonterisi on March 15, 2004, 03:44:18 PM

so you could probably still do it, just with more spacing between the caps...if healy is supposed to be 4 or 5 inches separation or so (the width of your head), make the LD's 7 or 8...would that work?

See, I don't think you can run the Healy Method with LD's. It is not really the Healy Method anymore, because you have two diaphragms on the LD capsule. When LD's are run in omni, technically it doesn't matter if they are running 90º to the sound source or aiming directly at it because with two diaphragm's, there is no real "aiming" of an LD when in omni. It's non-directional in that pattern.

When using the SD's though, you eliminate this problem when running them at 90º to the sound source, back to back aiming away from each other due to the lack of the rear diaphragm. This creates the spacing and time difference.

This is just my thoughts on all of this...

Tim · « **Reply #49 on:** March 15, 2004, 06:51:49 PM »

interesting Jason.... I have no real idea...

Xpanding Man · « **Reply #50 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:34:14 PM »

Quote from: Jason B on March 15, 2004, 06:49:17 PM

Quote from: dmonterisi on March 15, 2004, 03:44:18 PM
so you could probably still do it, just with more spacing between the caps...if healy is supposed to be 4 or 5 inches separation or so (the width of your head), make the LD's 7 or 8...would that work?

See, I don't think you can run the Healy Method with LD's. It is not really the Healy Method anymore, because you have two diaphragms on the LD capsule. When LD's are run in omni, technically it doesn't matter if they are running 90º to the sound source or aiming directly at it because with two diaphragm's, there is no real "aiming" of an LD when in omni. It's non-directional in that pattern.

When using the SD's though, you eliminate this problem when running them at 90º to the sound source, back to back aiming away from each other due to the lack of the rear diaphragm. This creates the spacing and time difference.

This is just my thoughts on all of this...

how about healy with a jecklin disc ? wouldn't that solve the problem for LD folks ?

even with SD mics (akgs, oktavas), i always noticed a "smushed" middle of the stereo image when running healy method, something that I thaought would be solved by a disc.

Author Topic: what is the so-called "healy pattern" (Read 10665 times)

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