Topic: 853s(not SP models)>MP-2

[nickgregory]

OK, I am tired of these SP versions of the 853s not being able to handle bass at rock shows.  I am trying to figure out my cost effective options for stealth mics that won't overload on a bass string pop.  In addition, I want to keep this venture in a reasonable budget (no Schoeps and DPAs do not fall under this parameter for me).

What I am looking at is getting a set of the real AT 853s, powering them with the MP-2, which if my logic is right, by sending them a full 48V, I will get better high SPL handling, and at worst, I can actually run the HPF on the MP-2...

Any opinions on this?  Am I missing something?  Also if there are any other possibilities that I am missing with regard to another mic alternative let me know as well.

Thanks.

Nick

[Chanher]

the audix micros are small enough for in hat configs (I think, I don't have any)

[Chanher]

here's a thread on them:

http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=385&mesg_id=385&page=

[leegeddy]

OK, I am tired of these SP versions of the 853s not being able to handle bass at rock shows.  I am trying to figure out my cost effective options for stealth mics that won't overload on a bass string pop.  In addition, I want to keep this venture in a reasonable budget (no Schoeps and DPAs do not fall under this parameter for me).

What I am looking at is getting a set of the real AT 853s, powering them with the MP-2, which if my logic is right, by sending them a full 48V, I will get better high SPL handling, and at worst, I can actually run the HPF on the MP-2...

Any opinions on this?  Am I missing something?  Also if there are any other possibilities that I am missing with regard to another mic alternative let me know as well.

Thanks.

Nick

nick, i'm sure you'll be happily surprised by the 853 performace with phantom power.  you will need a power adaptor (AT8533) or the Samson model someone once mentioned.

marc
 

[zhianosatch]

DO IT. that's the rig schwillbert is running at present. surprisingly good.

[zhianosatch]

haha, sorry, not because schwilly can't tape, but because the 853s are, what, $300?

[nickgregory]

so maybe this is a question for Schwilly, but have you guys had any problems with bass with this combo...especially when you are in line with the bass cabinet at head level?  have you had to use the high pass filter?  

[nickgregory]

this is an example of the crap that I am getting

http://home.nc.rr.com/nickgregory/kidrockbass.mp3

[zhianosatch]

dling... one sec

[Sean Gallemore]

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem.  Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick.  I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag.  I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever.  I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet.  I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches).  I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched.  Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

more on the rave later!

~schwillberitis

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

[zhianosatch]

in front of the cabinets, i'd run the 80hz filter anyway. and that mishandling of the lows will go away when you get the real deal, i'll put some money on that.
stuff like this happens all the TIME with many sp tapes, at the bass cabinets or not, from the little omnis to the 853s. haven't heard the low end problem with the 831s but we'll see. seems like the 831s are the only truly trustworthy mics to get from SP - do the 933s have basshandling problems? are they out of sound pro's current catatlog?

[zhianosatch]

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem.  Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick.  I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag.  I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever.  I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet.  I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches).  I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched.  Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

more on the rave later!

~schwillberitis

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

gotta get your rave tape. did you transfer them yet? what's taking so long?!?!?!

[zhianosatch]

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem.  Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick.  I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag.  I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever.  I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet.  I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

haha, yeah, right. instantaneous inspiration, that's all. and it's so perfect for my DPAs... if we do some measurin it could set a trend with the card/hyper pholk!

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches).  I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

i don't think i'd ever use any filter setting higher than 80-85. my dpa mps-6010 has a switchable setting at 85 hz. works like voodoo.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched.  Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

quite possible that it's the mics - not that it's a terrible thing. everything was butter when i ran the 4061s >modmps with your mp-2.

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

i think he's using the slimline module, same shit i have for the 831s SP-CMC-whatever the fuck.

[Sean Gallemore]

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem.  Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick.  I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag.  I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever.  I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet.  I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches).  I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched.  Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

more on the rave later!

~schwillberitis

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

gotta get your rave tape. did you transfer them yet? what's taking so long?!?!?!

fucker I'm still in HMB (half moon bay)
Smithy went to take candace to see her dad, then we're coming back down tonight.  Transfer (all 4 hours!) and then post on STG :-D

[zhianosatch]

STG? how about just send it to my lab for the next 2 days.