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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: digifish_music on January 16, 2009, 03:50:43 AM
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OK so what happened to it?
If it's so top secret, why is the page on the Nagra website still open?
Why can I find the manual (and pics) on several other sites around the net?
...and what do the moderators care if Nagra (a Swiss company) drops their pants in public?
digifish
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It was moved to a secure area by official request. Nagra is working on re-securing the information. Please do not re-post it.
I can't speak to the information's propagation on other sites, or Nagra's actions to stop or prevent it.
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It was moved to a secure area by official request. Nagra is working on re-securing the information. Please do not re-post it.
I can't speak to the information's propagation on other sites, or Nagra's actions to stop or prevent it.
Well you could have said that when you deleted it.
digifish
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It was moved to a secure area by official request.
Good to know that the Nagra guys are reading our forum, at least! ;D Maybe we can send them a petition to lower their prices? ;)
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It was moved to a secure area by official request.
Good to know that the Nagra guys are reading our forum, at least! ;D Maybe we can send them a petition to lower their prices? ;)
They were tipped off. I had another member PM me about taking the post down, but as long as their site was open I couldn't see the point :P
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It's given a puff in their official company annual report for 2007, I note, which would have been distributed in glossy form worldwide. Presumably they can get them all back. "The secret services are long-standing Nagra customers" is their proud, and perhaps unwise, boast therein.
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Meanwhile, google for "covert body recorder" to bring up a variety of non-Nagra stuff which would be of perfectly legitimate interest to those here interested in "stealth" recording. Nagra are not the only company using this description for tiny recorders. Some of this stuff makes the "stealth" recording equipment discussed here look huge! But I suspect audio quality from these devices might not satisfy our audiophiles...
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It's given a puff in their official company annual report for 2007, I note, which would have been distributed in glossy form worldwide. Presumably they can get them all back. "The secret services are long-standing Nagra customers" is their proud, and perhaps unwise, boast therein.
I believe it's a marketing tactic. In fact the deeper you search the more you can find on the CBR.
digifish
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It's given a puff in their official company annual report for 2007, I note, which would have been distributed in glossy form worldwide. Presumably they can get them all back. "The secret services are long-standing Nagra customers" is their proud, and perhaps unwise, boast therein.
I believe it's a marketing tactic. In fact the deeper you search the more you can find on the CBR.
digifish
Actually as a vendor that sells to certain law enforcement agencies... Its all about not showing anyone pictures of product out in the open. It protects the law enforcement officers that sometimes put there life on the line for our safety and protection. I have products that I sell to law enforcement that no one has ever seen and nobody ever will unless they have a badge. Its all about keeping stealth "stealth" :) Get it ;)
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Actually as a vendor that sells to certain law enforcement agencies... Its all about not showing anyone pictures of product out in the open. It protects the law enforcement officers that sometimes put there life on the line for our safety and protection. I have products that I sell to law enforcement that no one has ever seen and nobody ever will unless they have a badge. Its all about keeping stealth "stealth" :) Get it ;)
that's cool! :D
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It's given a puff in their official company annual report for 2007, I note, which would have been distributed in glossy form worldwide. Presumably they can get them all back. "The secret services are long-standing Nagra customers" is their proud, and perhaps unwise, boast therein.
I believe it's a marketing tactic. In fact the deeper you search the more you can find on the CBR.
digifish
Actually as a vendor that sells to certain law enforcement agencies... Its all about not showing anyone pictures of product out in the open. It protects the law enforcement officers that sometimes put there life on the line for our safety and protection. I have products that I sell to law enforcement that no one has ever seen and nobody ever will unless they have a badge. Its all about keeping stealth "stealth" :) Get it ;)
So explain why Nagra publish pictures of the device in public, check their brochures?
Even the public page one level above the 'protected' area has a small pic of it...
http://www.nagraaudio.com/pro/index.php
I also fail to see how that someone has never seen it would see it and not immediately know it was something odd. Particularly if it's worn on the body. The argument just doesn't stack up...now this is covert for example...it is a recorder
(http://www.usaspyshop.com/images/watch_voice_recorder_kbmp1800.jpg)
digifish
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It's given a puff in their official company annual report for 2007, I note, which would have been distributed in glossy form worldwide. Presumably they can get them all back. "The secret services are long-standing Nagra customers" is their proud, and perhaps unwise, boast therein.
I believe it's a marketing tactic. In fact the deeper you search the more you can find on the CBR.
digifish
Actually as a vendor that sells to certain law enforcement agencies... Its all about not showing anyone pictures of product out in the open. It protects the law enforcement officers that sometimes put there life on the line for our safety and protection. I have products that I sell to law enforcement that no one has ever seen and nobody ever will unless they have a badge. Its all about keeping stealth "stealth" :) Get it ;)
So explain why Nagra publish pictures of the device in public, check their brochures?
Even the public page one level above the 'protected' area has a small pic of it...
http://www.nagraaudio.com/pro/index.php
I also fail to see how that someone has never seen it would see it and not immediately know it was something odd. Particularly if it's worn on the body. The argument just doesn't stack up...now this is covert for example...it is a recorder
(http://www.usaspyshop.com/images/watch_voice_recorder_kbmp1800.jpg)
digifish
There could be a contractual understanding ( of none disclosure ) between an agency and Nagra that you dont know anything about. That's my theory.
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Actually as a vendor that sells to certain law enforcement agencies... Its all about not showing anyone pictures of product out in the open. It protects the law enforcement officers that sometimes put there life on the line for our safety and protection. I have products that I sell to law enforcement that no one has ever seen and nobody ever will unless they have a badge. Its all about keeping stealth "stealth" :) Get it ;)
This is what it's all about.
And the Nagra site is now securely locked again.
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There could be a contractual understanding ( of none disclosure ) between an agency and Nagra that you don't know anything about. That's my theory.
Yes OK I understand that point. However they give this information to dealers (some of whom appear not to be aware of the corporate NDA's with clients, if they exist).
My point is that the idea that the public seeing this device endangers security staff is simply not logical, if they want to be covert then they will use a truly covert recorder. This item (with it's wires and mics) seen by any spied-upon party will immediately be recognised as surveillance equipment. Images of it are also available from Nagra in the public domain.
That Nagra put the information on the web at all, is testament to the fact that they are not serious about security/secrecy/confidentiality. It's sitting in a password protected folder, not very secure. I have worked in R&D for two multinationals, and we never had anything truly confidential on the web. If lives were at stake it definitely would not be.
BTW: If this were confidential information about a car on an autoblog who would care? I don't get all the hand-wringing I have seen on this forum about this. Companies blow CDA's through error all the time, big deal.
Yes if it's confidential it shouldn't stay up here, I have no problem with that.
I think the fact that Google Earth is looking at your back yard and Streetview looking at your front door is a far biger problem to 'security'.
BTW: I just searched for 'Nagra CBR' in google, 5th link down (in Hebrew), and bingo...Israeli company...showing lots of pics from the manual/brochure, and details that Google Translate show to be operational specs, so how 'secure' is this info?
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=nagra+cbr&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB
digifish
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The thread was removed by request. I chose to honor the request out of professional courtesy and respect. Nagra's specific policies, whether or not they're effective, etc. didn't really have anything to do with it.
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The thread was removed by request. I chose to honor the request out of professional courtesy and respect. Nagra's specific policies, whether or not they're effective, etc. didn't really have anything to do with it.
I agree with you.
I am arguing with people here who seem to think it is a matter of (US?) national security that the recorder not be shown in public.
digifish
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I was Browsing my old threads and noticed this one. Since I posted the original thread, I don't think there's been a day where images and details have not been visible somewhere on the web...
http://cryptomuseum.com/covert/rec/nagra/cbr/index.htm
(http://cryptomuseum.com/covert/rec/nagra/cbr/img/cbr_controls.png)
digifish.
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this ones looks interesting too!
http://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/rec/nagra/jbr/