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PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« on: October 03, 2010, 02:30:08 PM »
New thread...............carry on.  :)
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2010, 02:34:54 PM »
loving this little box. finally ordered 8 lenmar 2700s yesterday.
4. im so abrasive i make sandpaper nervous.

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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2010, 03:47:39 PM »
 :) Checking in, it is not so new anymore but this is where the chat is at.  The [TEAM PMD661] thread has not been active at all lately.

Link for Team Boards "Team PMD 661"

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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2010, 11:05:53 PM »
:) Checking in, it is not so new anymore but this is where the chat is at.

Not always a bad thing, eh?

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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2010, 06:14:46 PM »
I just ordered a new ACM 661!!! 

Whats the best powering options for mics that draw 5mA?  Trying to get about at least 4 hours.  I don't know how to do that math, what mAh or and whatnot should I look for.  I remember through my surfing around a while back seeing a compiled list somewhere... I searched for a while and thought I'd just ask.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2010, 07:09:18 PM »
« Last Edit: October 04, 2010, 08:42:38 PM by DigiGal »
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2010, 09:55:38 PM »
PMD661 Battery test data here:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=119213.msg1597270#msg1597270

Thanks!

Any idea how much of a difference 5mA over 4.6mA?  I'm trying to get a solid 4 hours of recording time.  Has anybody tried http://www.lenmar.com/Web/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=PPU2100K?
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2010, 10:00:37 PM »
PMD661 Battery test data here:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=119213.msg1597270#msg1597270

Thanks!

Any idea how much of a difference 5mA over 4.6mA?  I'm trying to get a solid 4 hours of recording time.  Has anybody tried http://www.lenmar.com/Web/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=PPU2100K?

the difference between mics that draw 5mA vs 4.6mA is relatively small.

in regards to that lenmar battery linked above, the capacity is only 1560mAh.  You can get internal AA's with a capacity of ~2700mAh.  so you're better off using 4 internal AA's then using that lenmar battery.

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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2010, 01:59:41 AM »
Just a quick note for anyone who was interested in the issue I had with my 661 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=119213.msg1796455#msg1796455). Marantz found some sort of way to solve the noise issue I had, so Doug has fixed my unit and so far so good.

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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2010, 02:04:43 AM »
 I have some current-draw figures for the PMD-661 (measured by Everett Basham) which will allow anyone to calculate how long their batteries will last. I am also seeking current-draw figures for the Tascam DR-100 and Zoom H4N, so if anyone can help out, please have a look at: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=139694.0

In what follows, it is assumed that your batteries have been properly charged and have not lost their capacity through age or numerous discharge cycles. All too often, poor run time is a result of poor battery capacity for a variety of reasons. If you do not achieve the run times indicated, the problem most likely lies with your battery. Stick with batteries made by a respected manufacturer (me: I avoid anything with Made in China on it and have found that Eneloops made in Japan are among the best) and you should achieve the run times indicated below. And remember, todays best NiMH rechargeables have more capacity than alkalines and last hundreds of cycles.

I will use the nominal voltage for NiMH of 1.2 volts. It actually goes up to about 1.35 volts when fully charged, drops rather quickly to a fairly constant 1.2 volts for most of the discharge time, and then drops rapidly when the voltage reaches 1.0 volts, at which point the battery is nearly exhausted. Variation in voltage directly affects current draw (the higher the voltage, the lower the current). However, as stated, I will use 1.2 volts.


Current Draw
Everett's tests reveal that the PMD-661 draws 200-220 mA when recording (OLED display set to 1 on a scale of 1-8 for light output; 2nd VU meter off), and up to 280 mA with the meters fully on. It is unlikely that changes in recording conditions (mp3, various sample rates and bit-depth) will have much effect, but this hasn't been tested as yet. I will choose a figure of 250 mA as representing minimum current draw (meters off or reduced), and 300 mA as a typical current draw.


Inverter Draw
The current drawn by the inverter (the circuitry which converts the battery voltage of 4.8 volts to 48 volts) has also not been measured as yet, but it is straightforward to calculate. The current drawn by the inverter, I(INV), has to be added to the currents mentioned above. I will assume an inverter efficiency of 80%. Let the current drawn by the phantom mikes be I(PH) in milliamps.

I (INV) =  48/4.8 * 1.25 * I(PH) = 12.5 * I(PH)

The factor of 1.25 comes from the assumed 80% inverter efficiency.


Sample Calculation 1
• Batteries: Eneloop 2000 mAh
• Unit set to minimum current draw: 250 mA
• No phantom power

Run time = 2000/250 = 8 hours.

In real life, Everett achieved 12 hours with a set of new, freshly charged, 2700 mAh Sanyos, and 8 hours with 2000 mAh Eneloops.


Sample Calculation 2
• Batteries: Eneloop 2000 mAh
• Unit set to typical current draw: 300 mA
• Two 48 volt microphones, each drawing 5 mA (10 mA total)

Total current = 300 + 12.5 x 10 = 425 mA.

Run time = 2000/425 = 4.7 hours


The above calculations show why a unit with 4 batteries is probably a better bet than a unit with 2 batteries – all things equal, current draw will be double in the 2-battery units, and run time halved. Even if the 2-battery unit does have very efficient internal circuitry, the current drawn by phantom mikes must cause the inverter current to double; there's no way around that. For example, 10 mA at 48 volts, equates to 250 mA at 2.4 volts (assuming 80% efficiency). But it gets worse if using alkalines because they have the characteristic of providing less capacity as the current increases. It can be a double-whammy. When using a 2-battery unit the current draw in increased (which results in less run time), and the capacity of the alkalines is decreased thereby resulting in even less run time.

I'd like confirmation that the current draw for a 2-battery unit is greater than a 4-battery unit, so if anyone can take current measurements for the H4N or DR-100, please gmail me at gdburns.


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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2010, 02:23:19 AM »
Thanks for the "noise issue" update. It's not what I would expect from a $600 unit. I have "heat-soaked" and "cold-soaked" various items of electronics when I want to make sure they are functioning properly. My partner gets a bit upset by strange items in the oven and fridge, but you gotta test. This is what I would be doing to ensure the heat problem was fixed (and when I get my 661 I will be doing this):

1. Turn the oven to its lowest heat (say 40º C) and leave for fifteen minutes to warm up and settle.

2. Turn oven off and place PMD 661 inside, sitting on some insulating material (just in case the metal bars are hotter than 40º C), with cables coming from the oven to microphones.

3. Stand guard so that no one turns oven on.

4. Check for hum and hiss.

Step 3 is very important. A friend relates the tale of her mobile phone sitting above the kitchen sink, and being knocked into the suds while washing up. It still seemed to work, so she put it in the oven to dry out (set to a low heat then turned off). Forgot to tell husband, who turned oven on without seeing the phone. The phone might have survived the dunking, but didn't survive the cooking.


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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2010, 12:18:11 PM »
I just ordered a new ACM 661!!! 

Whats the best powering options for mics that draw 5mA?  Trying to get about at least 4 hours.  I don't know how to do that math, what mAh or and whatnot should I look for.  I remember through my surfing around a while back seeing a compiled list somewhere... I searched for a while and thought I'd just ask.

Thanks in advance!

What is an "ACM 661"

Doug's site advertises a concert, warm, and super mod on these, but nothing about an "advanced concert mod".

Very curious to know what mods are added to those in the concert mod to make it more "advanced".

Thanks !!!
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 12:24:17 PM »
FYI: I sent a query in to Marantz to clarify the phantom power spec.

The answer is that the 10mA max in the spec is for both channels together so theoretically only 5mA per channel.
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 04:15:40 PM »
What is an "ACM 661"

Doug's site advertises a concert, warm, and super mod on these, but nothing about an "advanced concert mod".

Very curious to know what mods are added to those in the concert mod to make it more "advanced".

Thanks !!!

Other than a typo its no different than any other concert mod.  My brain, although I've looked over this many times, has processed it as ACM even though there has never been an A there.  Funny thing how the mind or my mind at least works.  For my sake I say its an Awesome Concert Mod maybe Aaron's Concert Mod  :-\

Thanks for the advice on the power source think I'll go with this to start: http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Battery-Charger-Batteries-2700mAh/dp/B000P4PYRA/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
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Re: PT: 3 - New Marantz PMD661
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 04:57:22 PM »
What is an "ACM 661"

Doug's site advertises a concert, warm, and super mod on these, but nothing about an "advanced concert mod".

Very curious to know what mods are added to those in the concert mod to make it more "advanced".

Thanks !!!

Other than a typo its no different than any other concert mod.  My brain, although I've looked over this many times, has processed it as ACM even though there has never been an A there.  Funny thing how the mind or my mind at least works.  For my sake I say its an Awesome Concert Mod maybe Aaron's Concert Mod  :-\


The reason I asked is that Doug does sometimes offer mods before he posts them on his site, as he did back in March 2009 when he started offering warm mod 661s but they were not listed. In the past, Doug's concert mods were usually offered first, and later he would list a more extensive set of modifications that would earn the title "Advanced" so I wondered if this was the case with yours.

Thanks !!
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