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24/192 > Help
« on: March 09, 2005, 09:09:49 PM »
My 722 arrives in a week or so... 

I need some help...

1 - Suggestions on Sound Card to handle the 24 bit info

2 - Really would like to find a copy of Soundforge 6.0 or 7.0

And yes you read it right...  I'm jumping strait to DVD-A

Thank you for your input in advance

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2005, 09:11:43 PM »
i gotta ask...why 24/192?
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2005, 09:16:04 PM »
why use a soundcard? Firewire baby ;D
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2005, 09:26:13 PM »
I'm learning...

Am I reading correct..  Firewire as a data dump?

Open in Soundforge and go from there?

Why not192  - it is available -  does not dither well so encoding to MP3 is a pain - files are huge to download - quality is as good as it gets - any 2nd Gen DVD will play it..  that was enough for me!
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2005, 09:27:12 PM »
yep, just firewire onto your hdd... much faster than going in realtime via a soundcard
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2005, 09:28:54 PM »
Tim - you win for # one being answered.. 

Just to make sure - even if my motherboard is not rated 24 bit it will at least store the file in tact?

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2005, 09:29:54 PM »
not certain about the motherboard issue
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2005, 09:30:54 PM »
Quote from: CQBert on March 09, 2005, 09:26:13 PM
I'm learning...

Am I reading correct.. Firewire as a data dump?

Open in Soundforge and go from there?

Why not192 - it is available - does not dither well so encoding to MP3 is a pain - files are huge to download - quality is as good as it gets - any 2nd Gen DVD will play it.. that was enough for me!

so you dont plan on spreading anything you tape to your 722 ever? i mean, i dont know many people who are gonna DL 4gb/hour...a 3 hour show would be 12 gb  :o, anyway, more power to ya man, im sure it'll sound great, but id be hard pressed to tell ya the difference between 24/192 and 24/96 w/ my ears (i dont even hear much of one between 24/96 and 24/48...)
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2005, 09:35:20 PM »
It is not about spreading the music... 

I just do not like posting stuff for any jerk with a high speed connection to snatch..  I really prefered the days when taping and trading was more of a club than a public service...  you will not see many of my recordings posted but many are traded.

IMO we decrease the value of our work by data dumping....

Besides - we all work to deliver the best recordings possible, why not actually do it?

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2005, 09:37:23 PM »
good thoughts man. +T :)
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2005, 09:38:43 PM »
you're only interested in the 24 bit soundcard for playback, not for transfer.
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2005, 09:41:33 PM »
Pedro speaks the truth...  He built my current computer...  no good to transfer and not to be able to listen at all....

New soundcard per DR PEDRO....
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2005, 09:53:05 PM »
M-Audio Audiophile 192 sounds like it'd be what you're looking for. I don't know if the converters are 24/192 though (to give you an analog out unless you want to use the 722 as a DAC). M-Audio's page is down right now, as far as I can tell.
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2005, 09:59:21 PM »
AAAaaahhhhhh - a 24 bit snob...

Thanks - looks like more research...

Anyone on Soundforge 7.0?????
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2005, 10:08:30 PM »
you want to jump from SF to Wavelab. Wavelab 5 will burn DVD-A's as well as handle all the editing SF does.

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2005, 10:12:45 PM »
Thanks -

Do you know where I can acquire a copy of Wavelab 5?

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2005, 10:13:08 PM »
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IMO we decrease the value of our work by data dumping....

how so? It's all 1's and 0's
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2005, 10:25:15 PM »
Correct - it is all 1's and 0's

We as a group tend to flood the market with 1's and 0's...  what mic, what A/D, etc... 

Far to many of the end users simply take the data and do exactly what we don't want them to...  Encode to MP3...

Quick story - I was at the beach with a freind last weekend and he defied me to tell the difference between his 'CD' Quality mp3 and the source disc...  When he played the first source I told him in only a few seconds that this was the mp3 and he asked why - I told him that the highs were weak and the lows were muddy and undefined..  next the CD.. simple..  He preformed the same test a few hours later when I was feeling pretty good with the same result.

Encoding virtually all of what is out there today as far as posted recordings will yield a viable mp3...  that is not the goal!!!

mp3 IMO is part of the dumbing down of society...  settlilng for something that is second best and it iis just like loosing!

BTW - who came is second in the last NBA finals? Who CARES !

When you see a speed limit sign that says 65 do you stop at 65 or push it just a little?????  mp3 drives 55! 

I CAN'T DRIVE 55!!!!!!!

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2005, 10:41:37 PM »
Quote from: CQBert on March 09, 2005, 10:12:45 PM
Thanks -

Do you know where I can acquire a copy of Wavelab 5?

CQBert

not really... mininova maybe?
if peter doesn't have it maybe i could slide it to you at a show sometime.

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2005, 10:52:05 PM »
i don't have it  :-*

i've been using soundforge 4.5 since it came out... god how i loves me some Radium warez! 
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2005, 10:53:21 PM »
Here is your Wavelab 5:
http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2181&Langue_ID=7

Have fun! I wonder how good 192 will sound? I didn't know that DVD players could do that!! WOW! I'm a little behind I guess.
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2005, 10:56:19 PM »
I know how to buy it -  ;)   ;)

As for sound - if 16/48 is good and 24/96 is excelllent then why not 24/192...  keep reaching - besides it save time dithering
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2005, 09:33:55 AM »
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Correct - it is all 1's and 0's

We as a group tend to flood the market with 1's and 0's...  what mic, what A/D, etc...

Far to many of the end users simply take the data and do exactly what we don't want them to...  Encode to MP3...

maybe i'm not paying attention, but i've never seen one of my seeds encoded to mp3..... and I've seeded a coupla shows. If someone wants to do so, I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it. I think the pool of etrading is being kept pretty darn clean between all of the BT sites, and it polices itself very well, imo.

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I know how to buy it - 

I think that was a subtle attempt to discourage the open piracy of software. But I an't one to gossip, and you ain't heard that from me :P
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2005, 03:16:46 PM »
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I think that was a subtle attempt to discourage the open piracy of software. But I an't one to gossip, and you ain't heard that from me

 ;) Yeah, please take no offence but you didn't download a crack of the 722 did you? Wavelab 5 is a lot cheaper than that hardware. You can't be that broke. But I understand your thinking...
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2005, 03:38:07 PM »
Quote from: CQBert on March 09, 2005, 10:25:15 PM

Encoding virtually all of what is out there today as far as posted recordings will yield a viable mp3...  that is not the goal!!!

mp3 IMO is part of the dumbing down of society...  settlilng for something that is second best and it iis just like loosing!


I agree 100%!! Promoting poor quality as a standard is a bad idea - this is something that bugs me about itunes and the like - The dumbing down of society (nice!) is exactly what you get - people think crap is good (quality) - and I really do not think $0.99 a song (for low quality) is really that good of an idea [/rant]

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2005, 03:40:20 PM »
This is getting good...  ;D
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2005, 04:16:10 PM »
It all good..  As for being broke - the 722 is speeding me on my way there.  Keep in mind that one toy begets another and so on.  Battery $85, More concert tickets because, well because, (beerages at shows too). Extra hard drive for home computer to handle huge files, blank DVD's out the wazoo..  It all adds up...

Where would any of us be without the generosity of others. Remember when we were just patchers, or how cool it was when we had our first CSB's -  That was it, we were jammin, and it was usually someone a litte further along in the game that was our mentor/influence on what to buy and why.  This whole community is about helpin' out the other guy/gal.

As for the music quality issue - we all agree - Get the best you can out of your equipment, exactly what I plan to do. 

As for sharing - I admit it, I am slow a times but that is just the way it is.

MP3 - Just not a fan, I don't like what it represents to taping...  Think about this - my post begins life as 24/192.... it is snaged, ditherd to 16/44.1 (cut buy over 50%) and then encoded to MP3, how much of the original recording is really left, 30-40%.

I knew I should have checked in sooner...

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2005, 04:21:41 PM »
You will be spending alot on storage with 192khz files!! Whats the math on that anyway? How much MB per minute? Any idea? I'm too dumb/lazy to figure it out. I'm sure you'll find your software. I'm not trying to make a big deal of it seriously. Maybe google can help you even.
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2005, 04:59:49 PM »
24/192 has to be ~4gb per hour, because 24/96 is 2 gb per hour, and its double...so...
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2005, 07:02:28 PM »
I think you are correct...  the files are just huge..  Hopefully the definition will be worth the extra work, space, time, etc...

Will let everyone know in a few weeks..

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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2005, 07:07:01 PM »
Quote from: CQBert on March 10, 2005, 07:02:28 PM
Hopefully the definition will be worth the extra work, space, time, t

it seems that very few people can hear any real difference between 24/48 and 24/96... perhaps the step up to 192 will be more dramatic. should be interesting...

what are you listening on? I think that is probably the bigest factor in whether or not 24/whatever is worth the extra money, space, time etc.
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2005, 07:24:48 PM »
Boston Acoustic Lynnfield VR w/sub

Yamaha Amp / Samsung DVD Player Optical to amp

All Monster Cable for speakers.

Not the best but does real nice.. 

I will be upgrading as time goes on so I thought I'd start the next generation a little early.
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Re: 24/192 > Help
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2005, 07:39:26 PM »
Hot Damm!!!  722 is shipping Tomorrow ! ! !
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