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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: mterry on June 12, 2003, 03:37:04 PM
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Currently, i'm running a USBPre behind my 480's. However, later this year, I'm going to looking into get away from the USBPre, and going the route of seperate pre and A/D(no V3 or minime.......but who knows).
I really have no clue what combo to run behind them, so I guess this is the only way to start.
But by all means, if you have a favorite setup for the 480's, please let me know
thanks
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m148 > ad500e/ad1000/minime/mod-sbm1. i think the 148/480 combo kicks maximum ass. :rockets:
if you want some sources, i've got a few, and carl beck has hundreds 8)
-damon
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m148 > ad500e/ad1000/minime/mod-sbm1. i think the 148/480 combo kicks maximum ass. :rockets:
if you want some sources, i've got a few, and carl beck has hundreds 8)
-damon
I agree...480's sound best with an Apogee A/D. Get some of Carl's and/or Julian's tapes for some good reference. A lot of focs swear by that Georgian brick!!
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yeah but which mics does the m148 not sound good behind?
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generally agreed, though i don't have the same allegiance to El Brick that some of you do, I think it sounds great with most, though i'm not sure if i like it with the schoeps, i think i like the 248 better with them for some reason. i just think that the 148 improves the overall sound with the 480's more than it does with any other mics. it sounds great with the neumanns, but i think the neumanns sound great with a lot of pres. the difference the 148 makes in the neumanns is not as big as with the 480's, imho.
did that make any sense...reads like shit.
:drool:
-damon
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yeah but which mics does the m148 not sound good behind?
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Excellent point Trey...
I guess the main factor here to consider is: What are ya looking to spend?
...Damon, it made sense. The brick can color things up a little too much with certain mics, like the schempz.
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I guess the main factor here to consider is: What are ya looking to spend?
i never factor this in when people ask these kind of questions. this is not a hobby for realists, it's a hobby for idealists :hmmm:
-damon
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i always liked a sbm-1 behind them.....a mod-sbm1 would be ideal.....pre??? i would go brick(if i had the kablingy) (phor armen and jason b)....but for a simple 2 box solution, i would go w/ a psp3 (the other brick), or mp2....this being said, ive had a dmic-20 behind mine for four years now......my tapes outside especially RAWK.....listenin to 6-7-03 II and it soundz PHANTASTIC w/ this particular combo.... :coolguy: :coolguy:
bean
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i've always been a fan of the 480 > mp-2 combo. the brick sounds great, but if you're working w/ limited funds the mp-2 can't be beat. imho.
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i've always been a fan of the 480 > mp-2 combo. the brick sounds great, but if you're working w/ limited funds the mp-2 can't be beat. imho.
i agree....just throw a mod-sbm1 after that, and youll be good to go.... 8) 8)
bean
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narrowing this down, I'm becoming interested in the m148
Any info on a m148 > AD2K+ ?
I'm going to aska VERY dumb question, but with the m148, how would you go about monitoring the levels? Or would I need to get a good A/D with visible level controls? BTW, I'm be running this into a laptop (via VX pocket)
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narrowing this down, I'm becoming interested in the m148
Any info on a m148 > AD2K+ ?
I'm going to aska VERY dumb question, but with the m148, how would you go about monitoring the levels? Or would I need to get a good A/D with visible level controls? BTW, I'm be running this into a laptop (via VX pocket)
the 148 is just pretty much, plug and play.....if it were an m248, it would have variable gain, since it is an m148, its gain is pretty much set.....your deck should be just fine for monitoring levels..... 8) 8)always nice to have levels on the outboard gear, tho..... :'( :'( a mod-sbm1 would be ideal in my mind.....a little warm color never hurt em......
ask trey/tim....they seem to know bunches about these 'bricks'......good luck, bro..... 8) 8) 8) 8)
bean
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thansk as always!
;D
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I think you would be limited in setting levels with m148>ad2k+. I have never run a ad2k+ but I think you set the levels at the pre stage so you would be FUBAR since the m148 has only a on/off switch.
Another great sounding, very clean option is 480>ps2>mod sbm-1. I have a buddy who has run this with great results, until he got the southern brick
Trey
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As Trey said, the 148 and the 2k+ do not play well together. To date, I don't know of one tape with that lineage.
As far as the m248 with the schoeps, I'd like to try it out again. The one time I ran it behind cmc641's, I did not like the results. Too bright for my ears. In hindsight, the reason (I believe) the tapes were too bright is because I ran the 248 pretty much wide open. I think with less gain applied, the hf boost would not be as prevelant.
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JC Arnett made a bunch of great sounding tapes (imo) with the mk4 > 248 combo. His tapes from pelham 01 are still among my favorite sounding panic recordings. what happened to him? didn't he move to colorado or something?
-damon
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Hey MTerry,
I agree that the brick is a great sounding pre. That said, I think the tapes would honestly be better without the ad2k+...just my 2 cents though, as I can't stand the ad2k. Maybe run m148->mini-me if you have the cash...I bet those would be sweet tapes, although a more transparent a/d might be of more benefit with the transformer design of the m148. Those things are exspensive too, and I believe the waiting period on one is like 6 months or so.
Daryan
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well worth the wait and cost, but if you need something cheaper, you would be amazed at 480>ps2>mod sbm-1
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If you can pick up a brick, I'd look to find a used ad500 or an adk to put behind it. They can be had for a good price, now that the mme's and v3's are out there in a higher capacity.
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well worth the wait and cost, but if you need something cheaper, you would be amazed at 480>ps2>mod sbm-1
I made many a good tape with the 481/3>ps2>ad500e combo. Only potential issues with lack of gain in large arena venues. For up close instument micing, you'd be fine. One hell of a clean setup.
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That said, I think the tapes would honestly be better without the ad2k+...just my 2 cents though, as I can't stand the ad2k.
It seems that a lot of folks either love or hate the AD2K+ (I'm in the former group). I think this has a lot to do with do you like a flat no added xxx to your recordings, or do you like a little more xxx added. If you like to add some freq range to your recordings, then folks tend not to like it, or if they have a pre that adds too much of something, the AD2K+ doesn't enhance the other freq or diminish the modified freq range, so you can end up with a recording not to your liking. If I sound like a broken record, sorry, but I am such a firm believer in trying to record exactly what it is I'm hearing without any enhancements. I guess that's why I'm a fan on the AD2K+.
Wayne
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That said, I think the tapes would honestly be better without the ad2k+...just my 2 cents though, as I can't stand the ad2k.
It seems that a lot of folks either love or hate the AD2K+ (I'm in the former group). I think this has a lot to do with do you like a flat no added xxx to your recordings, or do you like a little more xxx added. If you like to add some freq range to your recordings, then folks tend not to like it, or if they have a pre that adds too much of something, the AD2K+ doesn't enhance the other freq or diminish the modified freq range, so you can end up with a recording not to your liking. If I sound like a broken record, sorry, but I am such a firm believer in trying to record exactly what it is I'm hearing without any enhancements. I guess that's why I'm a fan on the AD2K+.
Wayne
egg-zactly...transparency does it for me..... 8)
bean
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didn't he move to colorado or something?
-damon
All the cool kids live in Colorado...
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i've always been a fan of the 480 > mp-2 combo. the brick sounds great, but if you're working w/ limited funds the mp-2 can't be beat. imho.
i agree....just throw a mod-sbm1 after that, and youll be good to go.... 8) 8)
bean
I'm going to have to diasagree with bean on this one. With any mics (except maybe mbho's or earthworks), if you throw MP-2>modSBM behind them, they get a little too dark for my liking.
Post your address, I'm going to send you some 483>warm mod UA-5 tapes made by Ben Nelson. Good stuff :)
Also, you can eliminate the VXpocket and go UA-5>lappy direct. You can also do some 24/96 work ;D.
Just my opinion, if I could build a rig with 480's right now, I'd put a wmod UA-5 behind 'em.
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lee, id really like to hear those 483>wmod-ua5 combo..... 8)
if ya could throw that in my package, that'd be hella cool......
bean
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done and done...
have you heard Ancient Harmony before? The only 483>wmod UA-5 I have is one of their shows- they rock my balls, brah :smoking:
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I think I would throw a v3 behind them, or maybe even a mini-me! The mp2->modsbm is very dark, a nd quite frankly, wayyyy too dark for my ears. The only reason it sounds good with mbho's is because they are so freakin bright as it is!
Daryan
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I think I would throw a v3 behind them, or maybe even a mini-me! The mp2->modsbm is very dark, a nd quite frankly, wayyyy too dark for my ears. The only reason it sounds good with mbho's is because they are so freakin bright as it is!
Daryan
How true. To my ears, the AKG's with the USBPre are already nice and dark. I woulnd't mind making them a tad bit more bright. I think with any mic, the SD's products will make them darker, to me that's not a bad thing though. Any input on a PSP3?
I'm trying to look into every possible solution
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if ya want tapes w/ the 480's that are transparent as hell, and dont have money for a v3, why not just get a mod-dmic-20.....it could be your all in one solution....
i have TONZ of tapes w/ 481's > dmic-20@48k...lemme know, id be happy to spin them for ya.....
bean
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you should consider putting the majority of the 'crowd' behind your 480s as well hehehe...some of the TS 480 tapes i've heard sound distant
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you should consider putting the majority of the 'crowd' behind your 480s as well hehehe...some of the TS 480 tapes i've heard sound distant
thats when the 63's come in handy..... ;)
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I think I would throw a v3 behind them, or maybe even a mini-me! The mp2->modsbm is very dark, a nd quite frankly, wayyyy too dark for my ears. The only reason it sounds good with mbho's is because they are so freakin bright as it is!
Daryan, this surprises me a lot. The MP-2 > modSBM sounds almost exactly like the MiniMe with the Gefells. The MiniMe has greater high-end frequency extension and tighter bass, but the tonal characteristics are spot-on. FWIW, I ran the MP-2 > modSBM and I loved the combination; it produced some world class tapes with the Gefells. Then again, I like dark-sounding tapes so this may have something to do with it.
As for the 480s, I agree with some of the other opinions mentioned. I like them with a m148 > Apogee A/D or with a PS-2 > modSBM-1. You can't go wrong with either and there is an option for every budget class.
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I love the 480's with a 248 or 148. I will be running it with the V3 to see what my feelings are, I plan on running 148>V3 & just V3 to see what I think. I ran the MK4's for a little & they only sound good with a 248 IMO.
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I agree with a lot of the others. The m148>ad1000 combo sounds best to my ears.
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I ran 480/CKx>PS-2>mod SBM-1 for about 2 years. Sounds great!
One of the things I liked about it most was that it was super easy to power. Couple 9V's for the PS-2 and a single 7.2AH SLA to power a D8 and the SBM lasted me an entire day @ the festivals. I was pushing the SLA a little hard, but something with a little more, like a 10AH+ and you're golden.
I also liked the fact that I could run it using internal AA's for stealth situations.
well worth the wait and cost, but if you need something cheaper, you would be amazed at 480>ps2>mod sbm-1